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Thread: Why Miami Isnt Doomed- A Saints Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlfin View Post
    On the contrary, it is very comparable. Loomis and Payton did not have Brees on the roster when they took over the Saints and neither had a track record. You are playing a shell game with your arguments. You mention the last 10yrs, then cast aspersions at Moore and Ireland, when they had absolutely nothing to do with this organization 10yrs ago. This is Irelands 1st yr where he has really been in charge and we don't know what direction the franchise will take.
    Your entire post is disjointed.
    Shell arguments such as comparing the Saints situation to the Dolphins situation? Those kind of shell arguments?

    Countrary to popular belief, Jeff Ireland wasn't cryogenitically frozen in 2008 and only recently thawed.
    "Ignorance is not an excuse" were the words Goodell used when describing why those involved in the Saints bounty scandal would not avoid punishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spesh View Post
    Shell arguments such as comparing the Saints situation to the Dolphins situation? Those kind of shell arguments?

    Countrary to popular belief, Jeff Ireland wasn't cryogenitically frozen in 2008 and only recently thawed.
    Its obvious that you don't even know what a shell game is. You will remain willfully ignorant as long as it fits your narrative. I doubt that you even read the entire opinion piece that started this thread.
    If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jlfin View Post
    Its obvious that you don't even know what a shell game is. You will remain willfully ignorant as long as it fits your narrative. I doubt that you even read the entire opinion piece that started this thread.
    Hmm, perhaps it is a misunderstand about the original post, let me break down the cliffnotes and see if they match what you got.

    Saints owner is bad---->hires Gm----->Gm hires "no name" coach---->winning ensues---->owner deemed brilliant because he allows them to do their job. From there the original poster brings up the Dolphins: have faith in Ireland---->supposedly good Gm if you believe hard enough that he is a good Gm----->Ross has the best idea, though not most original, ever----->fans supposedly want "stars" and "playcallers" while owner and Gm really know whats going on (wink wink)---->brings up more football greats that have utterly nothing to do with this situation---->ends post with conclusion about how we are supposedly following the Saints method.

    Do tell, which part of that isn't absolutely bathed in ignorance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeathStar View Post
    Drew Brees.

    We have crap at the QB position. And no Matt Moore is not a franchise or good QB.
    Matt Moore finished the season with a QBR that ranked 12th in the NFL. He may not be a franchise QB, but he is a good QB.
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    Zodiac, this is one of the best posts I've read here. You are 110% correct. I'm tired of all the negitivity on this board. Ross is doing this the right way, and Ireland is a good GM. I think they'll get the right coach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hemidemon View Post
    Matt Moore finished the season with a QBR that ranked 12th in the NFL. He may not be a franchise QB, but he is a good QB.
    Well he was this year but until he can do it over a full season and not off and on he still has alot to prove but hell on this site Matt Moore is a good qb and Matt Ryan is a caretaker qb so who knows
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    Quote Originally Posted by SabanHater View Post
    no offense what-so-ever... but you could of wrote the story like this and it would have had the same ending...

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    Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah. WIN SUPER BOWL.

    It's all about the QB. We never address the position so we stay in the middle or near the bottom of the league. They addressed it and now their enjoying successful seasons year in and year out.
    See "The Shining" and you will likely not type repetitive words...
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    We haven't draft a QB in Round 1 since fricken 1983!!!! We need to find that great QB once and for all!!!
    Please God, let me see 1 Dolphins Superbowl victory before I die.
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    I am still trying to figure out where all this talent is that Ireland found for the team. Ireland has brought mediocre players to the team and it shouldn't surprise that the fins record is mediocre because of this. I am not saying this cannot be fixed, even within a season's time but I do not believe that Ireland is the man to do it. I may be wrong in my assessment of the talent on this team and with a new coach we may yet make the playoffs this year, we shall see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zodiak View Post
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    I like you want to win very much however all this negative chatter has me annoyed from Ireland is a bum, Ross is an idiot, no great coach will come here, we need leaders blah,blah,blah.

    A Saints Story, why did I use that in the title because if your like me you can remember when the Saints where the Aints and considered the worst team in football.
    Owner Tom Benson was widely considered a bad owner, viewed by many as a laughing stock by insiders(sound familiar) in his desperation to be a winner he hired a "name" head coach (Ditka),that failed- not a surprise.

    Mickey Loomis, who is he, well thats what most Saints fans wondered when he was hired to be GM for Tom Bensons Saints, he brought no pedigree with him he wasnt a boy wonder GM like Scott Pioli had no proven track record like Bill Polian.
    Loomis inherited Jim Hasslett when Loomis was prometed to GM in 2002, after 4 years Loomis replaced Hasslet with Sean Payton.
    Yes Sean Payton one of the best current Head Coaches in the game today, but again was anyone dancing in the streets in early 2006? most likely not, once they learned that Payton while working for the NY Giants as OC in 2002 had his play calling duties taken away by then Giants head coach Jim Fassel.

    The Saints became contenders when the Owner allowed a football guy, his GM to run the team.
    Loomis hired Payton and the team signed Brees, all moves made by an organization not some super star head coach.

    Im in no way suggestion Miami will become successful like New Orleans my point is that perceptions change with winning, I like Jeff Ireland, I believe in Ireland.
    I believe Ross has the correct idea regarding the way the team should be structured( GM seperate from HC ) a simple view of the history of the league shows that with few exceptions( JJ in Dallas, Belicheck in NE) winning teams are set up with seperation of power.

    This hire will be Stephen Ross & Jeff Irelands first hire, I unlike many have no concern over the lack of "star" candidates, this obssession with a coach being a "play caller", seriously?
    Bill Walsh was considered one of the greatest coaches of all time, he was a play caller therefor Mike Holgren didnt get to call plays however he turned out to be a pretty good HC.

    I will reserve critisim or doom and gloom predicitions, I feel the job Ireland has done turning the roster from when he took over as GM in '08( I know about Parcells keeping it simple giving Ireland credit good and bad for all things GM since '08) is a very respectful one.
    All GM's hit and miss with talent, clearly the Miami Dolphins have work to be done by no means are they on the door step of a super bowl, however Im confidant in Ross and his vision of this team to allow time to prove him right or wrong, beacuse I know the Saints story.
    Problem is, you need a GM who will select the right QB first. Can Ireland do that? We'll see.
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