Welcome to FinHeaven Fans Forums! We're glad to have you here. Please feel free to browse the forum. We'd like to invite you to join our community; doing so will enable you to view additional forums and post with our other members.



VIP Members don't see these ads. Join VIP Now
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11

Thread: Will Philbin follow a similar lead to Cam Cameron when he coached for Miami?

  1. -1
    juniorseau55's Avatar
    The Finheaven Intimidator

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    May 2003
    Posts:
    3,758
    vCash:
    1260
    Loc:
    Orlando, Florida
    Thanks / No Thanks

    Will Philbin follow a similar lead to Cam Cameron when he coached for Miami?

    Is hard to bring assistants from other teams with no previous experience coaching in college or the nfl level and expect them to succeed. Some candidates have had previous experience at very small college level,
    and some others have been long time assistants. Guys like Manginni, Crenel, Daniels, Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano are the name of few. Will Phibin break the ice or are we expecting the same result from someone
    learning on the job as an nfl coach?
    Originally Posted by footsteps_falco

    the ole' J-Pru thread. its like kory sheets but worse
    Quote Quote  

  2. -2
    ChambersWI's Avatar
    Owner of the Palace of Wisdom

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Jan 2004
    Posts:
    12,299
    vCash:
    7769
    Loc:
    Harrisburg, PA
    Thanks / No Thanks
    A huge difference is presentation.

    I don't quite remember the details, but I do remember Cam's PC was not received well and he seemed underwhelming. Philbin really won a lot of skeptics over with his PC.

    Another thing is the ability to name coaches. Cam fell to Wayne and Muller's demands of keeping certain people and didn't stick up more. Philbin was given full control over everything.

    Let's see how they face adversity. When we drafted Ginn and the draft party went into an uproar, Cam didn't know how to react and looked like a goof. I remember vets on the team coming out and saying Ginn was a bad move, and guys on ESPN making fun of how Cam handled the situation. Let's see how Philbin handles his first taste of criticism.

    And my big complaint with Cam was he didn't take preseason or TC seriously. I understand resting older vets, but he was so light we had an INSANE amount of injuries that came directly from the team not training properly. He also let assistants run the team during preseason games. Not even coordinators but POSITION coaches. He didn't treat preseason as a chance to install his system.

    And Cam never recovered. After a good first year or 2 in Baltimore, he's really been blasted by their fans and media the last 2 years; this year especially.

    Again, no promises Philbin will succeed. But looking back, from the moment Cam was hired he showed himself to be woefully unprepared and unqualified for the position.
    Quote Quote  

  3. -3
    finfan54's Avatar
    Finheaven Hall of Fame

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Aug 2002
    Posts:
    24,532
    vCash:
    16057
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Philbin is well respected coach from the ground up. He will teach like shula taught. Fundamentals.
    The man says he is not attached to a system but a team.

    makes me wonder what sean smith is going to do once philbin sees him pull up with a hammy in the first game of the season.

    And Ireland will not let us down like Mueller did. omg. that was the worst moment in history. it blows my mind ginn who was picked before patrick willis is playing on the same team. mueller will never reenter NFL again.
    Quote Quote  

  4. -4
    WitheringPlant's Avatar
    Seasoned Veteran

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    May 2005
    Posts:
    1,133
    vCash:
    1152
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by finfan54 View Post
    And Ireland will not let us down like Mueller did. omg. that was the worst moment in history. it blows my mind ginn who was picked before patrick willis is playing on the same team. mueller will never reenter NFL again.
    He never left. Currently with the Chargers, and was in the running for the Colts GM job. Mueller was bad, but I don't see any reason to have more faith in Ireland than Mueller.
    Quote Quote  

  5. -5
    Hayden Fox's Avatar
    At the end of the day...

    Status:
    Online
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Jan 2009
    Posts:
    20,634
    vCash:
    41501
    Thanks / No Thanks
    1972 Dolphins LogoMike Wallace 11Cam Wake 91Tannehill 17Dolphin
    Cam sucked because he was a bad leader and the talent was awful on the 07 team.

    Mike Mularkey and Dom Capers were on that staff...not shabby assistants.
    Quote Quote  

  6. -6
    finfan54's Avatar
    Finheaven Hall of Fame

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Aug 2002
    Posts:
    24,532
    vCash:
    16057
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by WitheringPlant View Post
    He never left. Currently with the Chargers, and was in the running for the Colts GM job. Mueller was bad, but I don't see any reason to have more faith in Ireland than Mueller.
    okie dokie whatever.....
    Quote Quote  

  7. -7
    tcdrover's Avatar
    Pro Bowler

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Aug 2004
    Posts:
    4,085
    vCash:
    4239
    Thanks / No Thanks
    I like Philbin, he is a serious coach. I never liked Cam going back to when he was the OC for the Chargers. His initial press conference and all of his following ones really cemented those feelings for me.

    The biggest difference is that Cam had the green light to be the HEAD COACH and make ALL decisions on the Dolphins from that perspective. He started off bad and just got worst but he was able to follow his path completely unresisted.

    With Ross I get the very strong impression that no Dolphins coach will ever get that much freedom again. He really needs to but out and let the coach and GM run the team. Look at the other owners who ALL know much more than Ross does. None of them except for a couple of exceptions are so intent on making everything about themselves.
    Quote Quote  

  8. -8
    finfan54's Avatar
    Finheaven Hall of Fame

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Aug 2002
    Posts:
    24,532
    vCash:
    16057
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by tcdrover View Post
    With Ross I get the very strong impression that no Dolphins coach will ever get that much freedom again. He really needs to but out and let the coach and GM run the team. Look at the other owners who ALL know much more than Ross does. None of them except for a couple of exceptions are so intent on making everything about themselves.
    Not sure your sentence makes sense. I know your trying to say Ross should butt out. Well, he basically does. I dont get the freedom point. You are saying ross butt out at the same time saying no coach will get that freedom again. which is it? No freedom again or butt out?

    confusing to me.
    Quote Quote  

  9. -9
    tcdrover's Avatar
    Pro Bowler

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Aug 2004
    Posts:
    4,085
    vCash:
    4239
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by finfan54 View Post
    Not sure your sentence makes sense. I know your trying to say Ross should butt out. Well, he basically does. I dont get the freedom point. You are saying ross butt out at the same time saying no coach will get that freedom again. which is it? No freedom again or butt out?

    confusing to me.
    They won't get the freedom to do what they want because Ross will not give it to them.

    He already is telling everyone that he wants a high powered offense. Name one other NFL owner who tells the media how he wants the coach to run his team. Any normal owner deals directly with his coach and GM without telling the press about it.

    Ross is always projecting the idea that he works for the fans which is idi0tic. He is the owner. He should deal with the coach and GM directly & let them do what he is paying them to do. He reminds me so much of jerry jones it makes me sick.
    Quote Quote  

  10. -10
    Cali Finfan's Avatar
    Pro Bowler

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Apr 2007
    Posts:
    1,133
    vCash:
    1112
    Loc:
    Washington
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by tcdrover View Post
    They won't get the freedom to do what they want because Ross will not give it to them.

    He already is telling everyone that he wants a high powered offense. Name one other NFL owner who tells the media how he wants the coach to run his team. Any normal owner deals directly with his coach and GM without telling the press about it.

    Ross is always projecting the idea that he works for the fans which is idi0tic. He is the owner. He should deal with the coach and GM directly & let them do what he is paying them to do. He reminds me so much of jerry jones it makes me sick.
    Saying he expects results and expecting a entertaining, winning product are completely different that saying what system to run and who to draft and who to sign ect... He is pretty hands off on most aspects of the team... If you want to see meddling owners see dallas and raider for history...
    Quote Quote  

Similar Threads

  1. Lead,follow or get the h666 at of the way
    By TUFFIE in forum Miami Dolphins Forum
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-29-2012, 08:04 AM
  2. How about we follow their lead.... against Sparano and Henne
    By 3pthreat in forum Miami Dolphins Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 12-28-2010, 04:03 PM
  3. States Gearing Up to Follow Arizona's Lead on Immigration
    By FinFan 13 in forum Political | War Forum
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 05-22-2010, 05:20 PM
  4. Is Cameron similar to Coker?
    By aquatix in forum Miami Dolphins Forum
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 07-24-2007, 12:49 AM
  5. Follow Steelers Lead
    By miamirw in forum Miami Dolphins Forum
    Replies: 31
    Last Post: 12-03-2004, 03:59 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •