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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    yeah, you have the 2nd best QB in the division like Tony was a better coach than rex, like rex would never succeed b/c of his Dad, etc...
    I also said Ozzie Newsome knew what he was doing in going outside to select a HC at the risk of losing his DC, that Pete Carroll knew what he was talking about, that USC QBs transitioning into the NFL would be mediocre at best (well Barkley may prove to be the anomaly), that Pace, Rhodes and Scott were over-rated, that Holmes would be the same cancer he was in Pittsburgh, that the jest were far from an "elite" team on the basis of 09 charity, dead team walkers and chokers coupled with another mediocre performing season sandwiched in between one that was decent but not good enough to carry their own division, etcetera, etcetera. I've proved right more than wrong. Now I'll go on record as predicting that jest fans will be looking back at baby Schotty with yearning after a year of the meatball.

    So far I've been right ahelluva lot more than otherwise. Take off your homer glasses and you'll realize it.


    ...and what? you don't think Moore's a better QB than Fitz??


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    I also said Ozzie Newsome knew what he was doing in going outside to select a HC at the risk of losing his DC, that Pete Carroll knew what he was talking about, that USC QBs transitioning into the NFL would be mediocre at best (well Barkley may prove to be the anomaly), that Pace, Rhodes and Scott were over-rated, that Holmes would be the same cancer he was in Pittsburgh, that the jest were far from an "elite" team on the basis of 09 charity, dead team walkers and chokers coupled with another mediocre performing season sandwiched in between one that was decent but not good enough to carry their own division, etcetera, etcetera. I've proved right more than wrong. Now I'll go on record as predicting that jest fans will be looking back at baby Schotty with yearning after a year of the meatball.

    So far I've been right ahelluva lot more than otherwise. Take off your homer glasses and you'll realize it.


    ...and what? you don't think Moore's a better QB than Fitz??
    Yep and in 4 years Ozzie has 2 title game apps w/ that HC while in 3 years Rex has 2 title game apps so clearly Ozzie was spot on.

    Yep, Pete knew what he was talking about. buttfumble in 3 years has 4 playoff wins and 2 title game apps- 2 more playoff wins than Pete in his carere and 2 more title game apps.

    Pace and Scott helped the Jets field top 3 defenses, they have both been great pickups for us. Rhodes was a top safety in this league earlier in his career.



    Moore isn't better than henne, he's great when games don't mean anything. I hope he is your starter week 1 and you'll find out what Panther fans found out.

    buttfumble had a bad year and still led his team to a .500 record, Moore had a great year and led his team to a .500 record. There's not a same football fan alive who would take Moore over buttfumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Yep and in 4 years Ozzie has 2 title game apps w/ that HC while in 3 years Rex has 2 title game apps so clearly Ozzie was spot on.

    Yep, Pete knew what he was talking about. buttfumble in 3 years has 4 playoff wins and 2 title game apps- 2 more playoff wins than Pete in his carere and 2 more title game apps.

    Pace and Scott helped the Jets field top 3 defenses, they have both been great pickups for us. Rhodes was a top safety in this league earlier in his career.



    Moore isn't better than henne, he's great when games don't mean anything. I hope he is your starter week 1 and you'll find out what Panther fans found out.

    buttfumble had a bad year and still led his team to a .500 record, Moore had a great year and led his team to a .500 record. There's not a same football fan alive who would take Moore over buttfumble.
    Like we've been contending for a long time, Henne having the same OL, OC and WR drop issues being used as the Taco excuse presently, was the clone of buttfumble, so if Moore is Henne, then Henne and Moore are buttfumble (although I think Moore is better than both).

    Secondly, as pointed out ad nauseum, to his credit, Rex made 1 post season legitimately without a charitable assist* while Harbaugh got there each of the 4seasons he coached the Ravens. Unlike Rex, he even won his division, and that division includes the Steelers! On the basis of legitimacy, Harbaugh has won more post season games he deserved to even compete in.

    Say what you want about GMs and Moore, but everyone but you knows that there's not a GM in the league who'd trade higher than a 3rd for buttfumble since few beyond you would believe he was more than the passenger (and often the disruptive one) instead of the driver.

    You can lastworditis it til you're blue in the face, and perhaps on one of the 3 green forums, you'd get some "amens." However, on most other fan forums, including this one, the reality of buttfumble, Rex and a 1 out of the last 4 seasonal jest performances being anything better than mediocre is plain to see. However, since relatively speaking, "perception is reality," you are certainly entitled to believe what you wish, no matter how biased it may be.

    But yes, you're right, Rex for all his faults turned out to be a better HC than Tony, but it's just as likely that Schotty will be a discernibly better OC than him too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    [COLOR=#0000ff]Like we've been contending for a long time, Henne having the same OL, OC and WR drop issues being used as the Taco excuse presently, was the clone of buttfumble, so if Moore is Henne, then Henne and Moore are buttfumble (although I think Moore is better than both).

    Secondly, as pointed out ad nauseum, to his credit, Rex made 1 post season legitimately without a charitable assist* while Harbaugh got there each of the 4seasons he coached the Ravens. Unlike Rex, he even won his division, and that division includes the Steelers! On the basis of legitimacy, Harbaugh has won more post season games he deserved to even compete in.

    Say what you want about GMs and Moore, but everyone but you knows that there's not a GM in the league who'd trade higher than a 3rd for buttfumble since few beyond you would believe he was more than the passenger (and often the disruptive one) instead of the driver.

    You can lastworditis it til you're blue in the face, and perhaps on one of the 3 green forums, you'd get some "amens." However, on most other fan forums, including this one, the reality of buttfumble, Rex and a 1 out of the last 4 seasonal jest performances being anything better than mediocre is plain to see. However, since relatively speaking, "perception is reality," you are certainly entitled to believe what you wish, no matter how biased it may be.

    But yes, you're right, Rex for all his faults turned out to be a better HC than Tony, but it's just as likely that Schotty will be a discernibly better OC than him too.
    buttfumble has aa history to bank on, 2 title games in 2 years- that's something henne never had and despite all the issues around buttfumble and playing as "bad" as you think he played he still had us in playoff contention late in the year which is something Henne never did.

    It's not lastworditis, it's constantly correcting folks who are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    buttfumble has aa history to bank on, 2 title games in 2 years- that's something henne never had and despite all the issues around buttfumble and playing as "bad" as you think he played he still had us in playoff contention late in the year which is something Henne never did.

    It's not lastworditis, it's constantly correcting folks who are wrong.
    Speaking of correcting folks who are wrong; the statement in bold is not true. Under Henne the Dolphins were 7-6 in 09 and still in contention for the playoffs in week 17. They needed help much like the Jets did in 09 and 11. As you know, it was the Jets who received the charity in 09 and were eliminated from the playoffs in 11 in great similarity to how the dolphins got eliminated in 09 and 10. Ending the season with 3 straight losses from teams who actually played their starters.

    I think Vaark explained the situation quite well :

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    It's funny isn't it, how season scheduling quirks alter - or deceiveperception, isn't it?

    In 09 you had 2 7-7 teams although one didn't lost 6 out of 7 games. One of em gets 2 teams that cared more about keeping their first stringers healthy for the playoffs while the other doesn't and actually had to compete but failed. Luck of the draw, although this scheduling disgrace was so egregious that the league as a result changed the way they schedule late season games to emphasize that they be within the division. Then you get that team that stepped it ****, despite itself facing a dead team walking who lost 3 out of its last 6 games, and was one of the weakest post season entrants in recent memory. What if the team not gifted in had been gifted in and faced that team in the first game of the playoffs? I think we know the answer. Similarly what if in 08 the team who did not step in **** faced the equivalent of the 09 Cinci team and instead, the team that was the beneficiary of the league's charitable contribution actually faced the equivalent of the 08 Ravens? Things would have been different for both teams, fersure. But I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles, so be it; only just donate to charity iin the spirit of that which you received and be thankful..don't claim credit for something you don't deserve, that's all I ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    Speaking of correcting folks who are wrong; the statement in bold is not true. Under Henne the Dolphins were 7-6 in 09 and still in contention for the playoffs in week 17. They needed help much like the Jets did in 09 and 11. As you know, it was the Jets who received the charity in 09 and were eliminated from the playoffs in 11 in great similarity to how the dolphins got eliminated in 09 and 10. Ending the season with 3 straight losses from teams who actually played their starters.

    I think Vaark explained the situation quite well :
    The dolphins needed the Jets, Ravens, Jaguars and texans to lose plus Miami had to beat Pittsburgh(only the Jags lost)- they needed more help than we needed in 2011 and in 2009 we had to win our last 2 games and we won them. We were in a win and in situation sop NYJ '09 was not like NYJ '11 or Mia '09. We had some realistic chances of teams losing that we needed lose, all lost except tennessee so we were at least close had we won, Miami was not close if they won.

    You ended the season w/ 3 straight losses from teams w/ starters but not one of those teams would make the playoffs and we beat both ten and Hous while you lost to both ten and Houston. You had your chances in 2009 and blew it like we had our chances in 2008 and 2011 and blew it and you had more help in 2008 than we had in 2009, your raod was much easier facing dead team after dead team the last 5-6 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The dolphins needed the Jets, Ravens, Jaguars and texans to lose plus Miami had to beat Pittsburgh(only the Jags lost)- they needed more help than we needed in 2011 and in 2009 we had to win our last 2 games and we won them. We were in a win and in situation sop NYJ '09 was not like NYJ '11 or Mia '09. We had some realistic chances of teams losing that we needed lose, all lost except tennessee so we were at least close had we won, Miami was not close if they won.

    You ended the season w/ 3 straight losses from teams w/ starters but not one of those teams would make the playoffs and we beat both ten and Hous while you lost to both ten and Houston. You had your chances in 2009 and blew it like we had our chances in 2008 and 2011 and blew it and you had more help in 2008 than we had in 2009, your raod was much easier facing dead team after dead team the last 5-6 weeks.
    Too ****in funny



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    is a 7 game stretch the season? what does that tell us?

    we were trailing Indy by 5 in the mid of the 3rd before they pulled their starters, that game was very much up for grabs.

    we were beating Cincy 27-0 when they pulled their starters.

    2008 Miami Dolphins:

    Beat ONE playoff bound team and that was 8-8 SD and they beat them while SD was in the midst of starting 3-5.

    vs. teams w/ winning records:

    2-4 record(Beat Matt cassell and Brett Favre)
    0-2 against playoff bound teams w/ winning records

    5 game win streak to end season;

    -beat SL who would finish 2-14 and was in middle of losing 10 straight
    -beat Buf who would finish 7-9 and was in middle of losing 8 of 10
    -beat 8-8 SF- the only team playing decently winning 4 of 6 to end the season.
    -beat KC who would finish 2-14 and in mid of of losing 11 of 12
    -beat NYJ who was in mid of losing 4 of last 5

    Your 2008 sched was a creampuff sched, you had a much easier road than we had. The difference btw the 2 teams? We proved we belong in postseason, Miami proved they were frauds.


    2008 Miami avg. scores vs. playoff bound teams:

    Mia 13 Opps 23

    2009 NYJ avg. scores vs. playoff bound teams:

    NYJ 21 Opps 16

    even taking away the Indy game:

    NYJ 19 Opps 16
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    too bad games go for 60 minutes, eh?

    Colts starters vs Jets
    2009 game 15 charity game:
    1/2: Colts 15, Jets 10

    Conference championship:
    60 mins: Colts 31, Jets 17

    Colts Starters: avg 30.66pts/game over 1.5 games
    Jets Starters: avg 13.5 pts/game over 2 games

    sure game 15 would have ever been in doubt LMAO

    Jets over last 9 games: 2 no shows, 3 wins over teams with 9-25 record when facing them and losses to NE and 3 teams with combined 13-14 record when facing them. 09 Jets: faux cubic zirconia.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    too bad games go for 60 minutes, eh?

    Colts starters vs Jets
    2009 game 15 charity game:
    1/2: Colts 15, Jets 10

    Conference championship:
    60 mins: Colts 31, Jets 17

    Colts Starters: avg 30.66pts/game over 1.5 games
    Jets Starters: avg 13.5 pts/game over 2 games

    sure game 15 would have ever been in doubt LMAO

    Jets over last 9 games: 2 no shows, 3 wins over teams with 9-25 record when facing them and losses to NE and 3 teams with combined 13-14 record when facing them. 09 Jets: faux cubic zirconia.



    I don't know what thepoint is of showing the difference when the starters were in? we trailed by just 5 in the reg season in the 3rd and we were w/in a FG in the 4th in the title game. It's not like we lost 38-3 or 62-7.

    and how do you not count the points scored after Indy rested starters but you count the full game. if you are using 2 games you need to use the 30 pts not 10, if not you need to use the 10 pts for half the game like you did for Indy. I love the excuse making, you will not stop at anything to try to make the Jets look bad.
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