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Its just using religion....kind of like racists used religion as well. Hate will show up as hate. Looking back 30 years from now, people like the ones you describe will be the ones looked at as the black marks on history.
the legal aspects of marriage are the reason gay people would want to get married.
and i agree that a church should be able to say no, we don't do that. and i think a flower shop should be able to say, no thanks, too.
but when someone refuses service, they should have to offer an alternative solution, as in the example about another flower shop, or in this case, another church.
and if someone refused me service for any reason, i'd make sure to spread the word to all my friends, to boycott said establishment. of course, i spread the word, good or bad on merchants now. i'm the best free advertising going, if you treat me right. and if you don't, believe me, i tell everyone about my bad experiences, too.
I agree with almost every aspect of your post.
This better not give CA's primary electorate to Santorum.
People wonder why Christians are so loud in this country. It's because if they weren't our rights to freedom of religion and worship would be run rough shod over by non-Christians.
I don't want to live in your world were if my religion won't allow me to do something, I'm just labeled a racist, homophobic, or some other nasty name just so my individual rights can be stomped on. Individual rights are ok, as long as they are rights you are aligned with, correct? I think that is the liberal montra. FREEDOM FOR ALL (as long as it's a freedom I think you should have).
Insert pithy saying here.
As well, i believe the number that "wants to tear it all down" far smaller then people are making it out to be. Yes, you would have the same legal benefits, but you would be identified as "different". This judge ruling showed that different labels can still be descriminatory.
IMO no one. It's my belief as a property and business owner you have the right no deny anyone for any reason whatsoever. Denying gay people or anyone based on skin color is ignorant and stupid. Not to mention bad for business. But I support the right of the flower shop and of churches to have their own prerogatives. The government can't do it at all though. That's where I draw the line.
"Politics is the Art of Looking for Trouble, Finding it Everywhere, Diagnosing it Incorrectly, and Applying the Wrong Remedies"
to me, ideologically, saying the bible says x is never a basis for discrimination. That's weak minded. So it is the same to me. A public business offering itself to the public should not be able to discriminate based on anything. Religion should not have a role in society outside of private worship.
Edit- before I am asked, I would make an exception for Churches/religious establishments. They would not have to conduct business with who they dont want to religiously. That would take away the entire point of their business and that is the main point in my exception
As much as you would hate to admit it, southerners for years used religion as a basis to discriminate against blacks. The KKK still does it to today. The bible is the easiest place to hide behind for discrimination. But the quotes used to discriminate against gays are correct and the ones for blacks wrong I take it according to you?
Sadly, I think the florist would be able to discriminate even if gay marriages are legal however. The Civil Rights laws mention skin color, gender, nationality, religion. Does not mention sexual preference. So the florist in your example would be able to get away with it, though I would hope people picket his shop and make it harder for him to conduct business. People who discriminate are the scum of the earth imo.