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Thread: Koa Misi may be man without position with Miami Dolphins

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    Koa is and s/b a 4-3 LDE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z0eboy View Post
    My bad I watched a different video that had 2010 mixed in, I see your point when Koa Misi played your right he did face LT's. You have to admit even the video message stated due to Koa Misi being handled by the LT he made teams double and sometimes triple team (chip block) Cameron Wake. Its not like Cameron Wake was 1 on 1 with the RT, so there isn't much of an advantage that you speak of outside of him simply being a beast.

    Do you honestly think if he (Wake) is 1 on 1 with any Tackle 7 - 10 times he wouldn't abuse that Tackle no matter which side they lined up on? Rushing from the QB's blind side is an advantage IMO, not getting doubled teamed.

    In a 4-3 defense Cameron will be the RDE IMO facing up against the LT, this for most teams is the weak side run.

    Running behind you LT with no TE next to him means your bringing a lead blocker to fill that void in power run plays. If they line up a TE next to the LT the strongside linebacker would adjust over to that side to anticipate a strong side run.
    I dont disagree that he could be a RDE..But you have to line him up wide. He may have to play 8 or 9 tech.. This puts alot of pressure on your weak side backer..Alot. If you line him up at 6 or 7 he is going to get destroyed in all phases by most of the Lt's in the league..He is just too small and will have to defeat blockers rather than just run by them..Thats not Wake's game.. You also are playing a 43 over which would that put Koa on the Los but you need a NT too...Randy could be that guy but that puts stress on him.
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    IMO the switch in defense is more about the "Base" front, instead of starting out in a 3-4 front when opposing offenses come out in their "base" offensive formation we will show a 4-3 front.

    The pros and cons of a 3-4 front - 3 hefty lineman to impact running lanes and take up double teams to open up blitzing lanes for the 4 LB's. If those 4 LB's cant shoot the gaps effectively and squeeze by occupied blocks the effectiveness is hindered leaving our secondary vulerable in extended coverage.

    Side note - the LB's won't always be blitzing, the defensive call may have 2 or even 3 Lb's back in coverage or vise versa coming with pressure.

    The pros and cons of a 4-3 front - 2 hefty DT's to impact middle running lanes and collapse the pocket right up the middle forcing the QB/RB to change direction to the outside. This would allow the DE's and OLB's to clean up and leave our MLB clean to roam and attack any and everything. If the front 7 (DL and LB's) don't create pressure or disrupt the offense it leaves our secondary vulnerable in extended coverage.

    Side note - the 4-3 front requires more agressive run support out of your 3 LB's due to the DE's primarly taking a wide pass rush angle, in most case's this stress more support from the SS leaving the FS to roam deep thirds. The Strong side OLB will always line up over the TE, if the RDE is left 1 on 1 with the LT he should be able to impact the LT and allow the weak side OLB and MLB enough time to flow to the play and clean up. The RDE responsibility is to keep the play INSIDE where his help will flow to and take care of the play, not stop the run.
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    If he's stout against the run and he can drop back and cover, maybe he can play MLB in a 4-3 scheme. The Steelers converted Timmons that way. Misi has a high motor and is physical. He could have some success as a middle blitzer since he doesn't have the fast twitch 1st step or the body lean to be an edge rusher
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdawg954 View Post
    Miami pretty much blew it in that draft. I like Odrick and all, but the DLine depth was something we did not need to add to and to get a non pass rushing OLB was a mistake.

    Koa offers some versatility though and unless you are getting decent value in return (which I doubt) you are better served holding on to him. He has a high motor and with some work in the weight room and if he sheds a few pounds he could play LB in a 4-3.
    This though I guess Odrick may very well be starting since we might lose Langford and Soliai.

    I think Odrick is solid but he's not Graham or Gronkowski. And sorry if you can go to the Super Bowl with the 31st ranked defense then you have to make offense priority. It's a passing league, our defense is solid regardless. Now let's focus on making our offense a Top offense.

    We got some pieces, we need a couple tight ends and we need Daniel Thomas to develop. Most importantly, we need a ****ing quarterback.
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    cam wake is always over the RT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vertical Limit View Post
    This though I guess Odrick may very well be starting since we might lose Langford and Soliai.

    I think Odrick is solid but he's not Graham or Gronkowski. And sorry if you can go to the Super Bowl with the 31st ranked defense then you have to make offense priority. It's a passing league, our defense is solid regardless. Now let's focus on making our offense a Top offense.
    Most importantly, we need a ****ing quarterback.
    Hindsight is 20/20. It was reported earlier in the week that Gronkowski failed a physical with the Colts during the pre draft process. Its possible that more than one team took him off their draft board. He apparently had a serious back injury. He's only in his second yr and who's to say that doesn't become a nagging problem if he re-injures it in the next couple of yrs.
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    Misi isn't without a position. His position is SLB. What we have is a position without a man, the LDE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Misi isn't without a position. His position is SLB. What we have is a position without a man, the LDE.
    Agreed, it was reported that the Lions wanted to draft Misi and make him the SLB in their 4-3 when he was coming out of college.
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