Insert pithy saying here.
The ACC has had btw 8-12. 1980-1991 8 teams, 1992-2004 9 teams, 2004-cuurent 12 teams
The BE had 9 members from 1982-1990, 1990-1994 13 teams, 1995-2004 14 teams, 2005-current 16 teams
# of different FF teams:
ACC: UNC, duke, Maryland, Ga Tech, NC State, Virginia
BE: GU, SJU, 'Nova, Providence, SH, SU, UConn, WVU
2 more for the BE but again they have had many more teams
Nat'l Titles in that timeframe;
ACC: UNC, duke, NC State, Maryland
BE: GU, 'Nova, SU, UConn
same # despite BE having many more teams
The ACC has a weak bottom as well but it's uually 3-4 bad teams while the BE is usually 8-10 bad teams. That's a huge difference.
Big East perenially bad teams:
Maybe you can put Seton Hall in here too, but they have been a decent team some years.
The Big East has national powers: UConn, Syracuse, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Solid programs: Villanova, ND, Marquette, WV, Gtown
Decent/Up 'n Down programs: Cincy, St Johns, Seton Hall
Awful programs: mentioned above
Now this year a few of the usual powers are down a bit: Pitt, UConn, Villanova and Louisville
However South Florida is much better than they have been in the past and Seton Hall is trending upwards
The ACC has Duke and UNC. This year they can claim a decent FSU squad. That's about it. All the other teams range from wafflingly mediocre (UVA, NCState) to down right awful (BC). It's been that way for the ACC for a long time. In a couple of ears when Syracuse and Pitt join the ACC, you can make an argument and probably even win. But until that time, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
St. John's, Seton hall, USF, Rutgers, Depaul, providence
That's a lot to start w/
Louisville hasn't been a Nat'l power since the 80s, only UConn is a Nat'l power on par w/ UNC & duke.
Pitt a Nat'l power? wake me up when they make a FF, SU as "great" as they have been ahve only made 3 FFs under Boeheim. UL has made one since 1987
'Nova and GU would be in the solid program category w/ SU & UL
decent up/down would be Cincy, Marquette, WVU, ND
The best BE team struggled w/ NC State this year just so you know, it was a 3 pt game w/ about 10 mins left.
3rd place ND lost to Maryland
The ACC is about UNC and duke, they are 2 of the best 4 programs int he Country annually bu there have been other great runs in the conference including last decade w/ MD making back to abck title games, winning a title and Ga Tech playing for a title.
No matter what way you judge the ACC has been far superior to the BE.
since MD won it all in 2002 they have:
made 5 Tourneys- the same as GU & ND, more than SH, RU, USF, Depaul, SJU, Cincy, Providence,
who cares if GT was bombed in the finals? 'Nova was crushed by UNC in the FF and WVU was crushed by duke in 2 of the last 3 FFs
Wow. Cards put it together, make a run, and win the BE title. I wonder if that has moved them up to a 3 line.
Enjoyed watching the Kitties go down in the SEC final today. I'm thinking the Gators are in about 5 seed territory. Let's get this OSU-MSU game over with and see that damn bracket!
But when the trumpets blew again and the knights charged, the name they cried was, "Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!"