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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    How soon we forget the 2 most recent ACC vs. BE FF matchups:

    2009: UNC 83 Villanova 69
    2010: duke 78 WVU 57


    The ACC doesn't have 57 teams to beat up on a weak bottom half to get a million teams in.

    The BE's first season was 1980, since 1980:

    years w/o a FF:
    BE: 1980, 1981, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008
    ACC: 1980, 1985, 1987, 1996, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2011

    FFs:
    BE: 17
    ACC: 29

    Nat'l Titles:
    BE: 6
    ACC: 10

    Sure ya do: There called, Clemson, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, NC ST. Please don't tell me those teams aren't usual cellar dwellers in your conference each year.








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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    How soon we forget the 2 most recent ACC vs. BE FF matchups:

    2009: UNC 83 Villanova 69
    2010: duke 78 WVU 57


    The ACC doesn't have 57 teams to beat up on a weak bottom half to get a million teams in.

    The BE's first season was 1980, since 1980:

    years w/o a FF:
    BE: 1980, 1981, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2008
    ACC: 1980, 1985, 1987, 1996, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2011

    FFs:
    BE: 17
    ACC: 29

    Nat'l Titles:
    BE: 6
    ACC: 10
    How many of those FFs are from Duke and UNC? How many from the rest of the conference? The ACC has ALWAYS been top heavy and it always will be. BC, GTech, Wake, and VT aren't teams to hang your hat on when you point fingers at the Big East's bottom half.
    Insert pithy saying here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uga3406 View Post
    great numbers, help me remember who won the title last year? hmmmmmm was it UConn...again =)
    and who won the TWO the 2 years before that?

    Quote Originally Posted by uga3406 View Post
    Sure ya do: There called, Clemson, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, NC ST. Please don't tell me those teams aren't usual cellar dwellers in your conference each year.
    all of those schools have had success in the last 20 years w/ the exception of VT. The ACC has fallen back since expansion but they don't half 9-10 bad teams every year to fatten up on like the BE.

    Quote Originally Posted by LouPhinFan View Post
    How many of those FFs are from Duke and UNC? How many from the rest of the conference? The ACC has ALWAYS been top heavy and it always will be. BC, GTech, Wake, and VT aren't teams to hang your hat on when you point fingers at the Big East's bottom half.
    1980-current:

    The ACC has had btw 8-12. 1980-1991 8 teams, 1992-2004 9 teams, 2004-cuurent 12 teams
    The BE had 9 members from 1982-1990, 1990-1994 13 teams, 1995-2004 14 teams, 2005-current 16 teams

    # of different FF teams:

    ACC: UNC, duke, Maryland, Ga Tech, NC State, Virginia
    BE: GU, SJU, 'Nova, Providence, SH, SU, UConn, WVU

    2 more for the BE but again they have had many more teams

    Nat'l Titles in that timeframe;

    ACC: UNC, duke, NC State, Maryland
    BE: GU, 'Nova, SU, UConn

    same # despite BE having many more teams


    The ACC has a weak bottom as well but it's uually 3-4 bad teams while the BE is usually 8-10 bad teams. That's a huge difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    and who won the TWO the 2 years before that?



    all of those schools have had success in the last 20 years w/ the exception of VT. The ACC has fallen back since expansion but they don't half 9-10 bad teams every year to fatten up on like the BE.



    1980-current:

    The ACC has had btw 8-12. 1980-1991 8 teams, 1992-2004 9 teams, 2004-cuurent 12 teams
    The BE had 9 members from 1982-1990, 1990-1994 13 teams, 1995-2004 14 teams, 2005-current 16 teams

    # of different FF teams:

    ACC: UNC, duke, Maryland, Ga Tech, NC State, Virginia
    BE: GU, SJU, 'Nova, Providence, SH, SU, UConn, WVU

    2 more for the BE but again they have had many more teams

    Nat'l Titles in that timeframe;

    ACC: UNC, duke, NC State, Maryland
    BE: GU, 'Nova, SU, UConn

    same # despite BE having many more teams


    The ACC has a weak bottom as well but it's uually 3-4 bad teams while the BE is usually 8-10 bad teams. That's a huge difference.
    8-10 bad teams in the BE? Again that more whining from an ACC fan.

    Big East perenially bad teams:

    DePaul
    Providence
    Rutgers
    South Florida

    Maybe you can put Seton Hall in here too, but they have been a decent team some years.

    The Big East has national powers: UConn, Syracuse, Louisville, Pittsburgh
    Solid programs: Villanova, ND, Marquette, WV, Gtown
    Decent/Up 'n Down programs: Cincy, St Johns, Seton Hall
    Awful programs: mentioned above

    Now this year a few of the usual powers are down a bit: Pitt, UConn, Villanova and Louisville
    However South Florida is much better than they have been in the past and Seton Hall is trending upwards

    The ACC has Duke and UNC. This year they can claim a decent FSU squad. That's about it. All the other teams range from wafflingly mediocre (UVA, NCState) to down right awful (BC). It's been that way for the ACC for a long time. In a couple of ears when Syracuse and Pitt join the ACC, you can make an argument and probably even win. But until that time, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouPhinFan View Post
    8-10 bad teams in the BE? Again that more whining from an ACC fan.

    Big East perenially bad teams:

    DePaul
    Providence
    Rutgers
    South Florida

    Maybe you can put Seton Hall in here too, but they have been a decent team some years.

    The Big East has national powers: UConn, Syracuse, Louisville, Pittsburgh
    Solid programs: Villanova, ND, Marquette, WV, Gtown
    Decent/Up 'n Down programs: Cincy, St Johns, Seton Hall
    Awful programs: mentioned above

    Now this year a few of the usual powers are down a bit: Pitt, UConn, Villanova and Louisville
    However South Florida is much better than they have been in the past and Seton Hall is trending upwards

    The ACC has Duke and UNC. This year they can claim a decent FSU squad. That's about it. All the other teams range from wafflingly mediocre (UVA, NCState) to down right awful (BC). It's been that way for the ACC for a long time. In a couple of ears when Syracuse and Pitt join the ACC, you can make an argument and probably even win. But until that time, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    The bad teams on a consistent basis have been:

    St. John's, Seton hall, USF, Rutgers, Depaul, providence

    That's a lot to start w/

    Louisville hasn't been a Nat'l power since the 80s, only UConn is a Nat'l power on par w/ UNC & duke.

    Pitt a Nat'l power? wake me up when they make a FF, SU as "great" as they have been ahve only made 3 FFs under Boeheim. UL has made one since 1987

    'Nova and GU would be in the solid program category w/ SU & UL

    decent up/down would be Cincy, Marquette, WVU, ND

    The best BE team struggled w/ NC State this year just so you know, it was a 3 pt game w/ about 10 mins left.

    3rd place ND lost to Maryland


    The ACC is about UNC and duke, they are 2 of the best 4 programs int he Country annually bu there have been other great runs in the conference including last decade w/ MD making back to abck title games, winning a title and Ga Tech playing for a title.

    No matter what way you judge the ACC has been far superior to the BE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The bad teams on a consistent basis have been:

    St. John's, Seton hall, USF, Rutgers, Depaul, providence

    That's a lot to start w/

    Louisville hasn't been a Nat'l power since the 80s, only UConn is a Nat'l power on par w/ UNC & duke.

    Pitt a Nat'l power? wake me up when they make a FF, SU as "great" as they have been ahve only made 3 FFs under Boeheim. UL has made one since 1987

    'Nova and GU would be in the solid program category w/ SU & UL

    decent up/down would be Cincy, Marquette, WVU, ND

    The best BE team struggled w/ NC State this year just so you know, it was a 3 pt game w/ about 10 mins left.

    3rd place ND lost to Maryland


    The ACC is about UNC and duke, they are 2 of the best 4 programs int he Country annually bu there have been other great runs in the conference including last decade w/ MD making back to abck title games, winning a title and Ga Tech playing for a title.

    No matter what way you judge the ACC has been far superior to the BE.

    lol md hasn't done crap since they won the title and gt was bombed in the finals by uconn lol just make it stop
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    since MD won it all in 2002 they have:

    made 5 Tourneys- the same as GU & ND, more than SH, RU, USF, Depaul, SJU, Cincy, Providence,

    who cares if GT was bombed in the finals? 'Nova was crushed by UNC in the FF and WVU was crushed by duke in 2 of the last 3 FFs
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    Wow. Cards put it together, make a run, and win the BE title. I wonder if that has moved them up to a 3 line.
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    Enjoyed watching the Kitties go down in the SEC final today. I'm thinking the Gators are in about 5 seed territory. Let's get this OSU-MSU game over with and see that damn bracket!
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