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Thread: Bill Polian said on SiriusXM radio that Manning could fit Philbin's offense

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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    First of all, whoever has told you that these surgical procedures only strengthen Peyton's neck is lying to you. Right now, Peyton has a bone graft in between his C6 and C7 vertebra. Do you know what comes along with that? A loss of motion at that level, because you now have something rigid this is occupying that space instead of the soft, cushion that was there that previously acted as a shock absorber of sorts and was elastic, not rigid. Do you know what this loss of motion in turn does? It changes the spinal mechanics at that level, creating more stress on the vertebra above and below the fused area. Do you know what happens with that increased stress? You ultimately get more bulging of the discs at those levels. You also get uncovertebral hypertrophy and bone spur formation, both of which is a chronic, degenerative condition. You know what comes with uncovertebral hypertrophy and bone spur formation? You get neuroforaminal stenosis, which if great enough, impinges on the nerve. You know what happens then? The same thing that Peyton has already been through. It's only a matter of time. He WILL have this surgery again at the level above or below.

    That doesn't even address the fact that he may have let the impingement go on too long before he had the fusion to begin with, and because of that, the nerve may never wake up. It is possible to recruit enough strength from the other muscles to offset the loss of function of the area the C7 nerve innervates within the triceps, serratus anterior, latissmus dorsi, and biceps brachialis muscle that he will be able to throw, but he will not be able to throw with any indurance.

    Basically, think of Dan Marino in 1999. That is what Miami will get with Peyton Manning coming off this injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    First of all, whoever has told you that these surgical procedures only strengthen Peyton's neck is lying to you. Right now, Peyton has a bone graft in between his C6 and C7 vertebra. Do you know what comes along with that? A loss of motion at that level, because you now have something rigid this is occupying that space instead of the soft, cushion that was there that previously acted as a shock absorber of sorts and was elastic, not rigid. Do you know what this loss of motion in turn does? It changes the spinal mechanics at that level, creating more stress on the vertebra above and below the fused area. Do you know what happens with that increased stress? You ultimately get more bulging of the discs at those levels. You also get uncovertebral hypertrophy and bone spur formation, both of which is a chronic, degenerative condition. You know what comes with uncovertebral hypertrophy and bone spur formation? You get neuroforaminal stenosis, which if great enough, impinges on the nerve. You know what happens then? The same thing that Peyton has already been through. It's only a matter of time. He WILL have this surgery again at the level above or below.

    That doesn't even address the fact that he may have let the impingement go on too long before he had the fusion to begin with, and because of that, the nerve may never wake up. It is possible to recruit enough strength from the other muscles to offset the loss of function of the area the C7 nerve innervates within the triceps, serratus anterior, latissmus dorsi, and biceps brachialis muscle that he will be able to throw, but he will not be able to throw with any indurance.

    Basically, think of Dan Marino in 1999. That is what Miami will get with Peyton Manning coming off this injury.
    Hey KB,

    Since you are in Dr mode, is Peyton's injury a result of trauma ie a hit or repetitive use? I keep hearing some people say he is one hit from being done and others that say if the nerve is healed then an impact wouldn't effect him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jd13 View Post
    A dolphin fan just called up and asked Polian if Manning could fit in Philbin's offense and he said without question. He said he has no inside info but just studying philbin's offense in Green Bay and Mike Sherman's offense at Texas a&m. He said it would take him about 2 weeks to learn the offense. The only thing he can't do that Rogers could do are the bootlegs. It just dispels the notion that Manning doesn't fit the system.
    Bootlegs are a pretty big part of the WCO especially near the goal line. Sure opens things up for Rodgers...wouldn't be a killer though, I don't think Schaub runs nearly as many bootlegs as Rodgers does in the same offense. I think they move Rodgers out of the pocket so much cause his O-line sucks where Schaub has a better line in front of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VManis View Post
    Hey KB,

    Since you are in Dr mode, is Peyton's injury a result of trauma ie a hit or repetitive use? I keep hearing some people say he is one hit from being done and others that say if the nerve is healed then an impact wouldn't effect him.
    His problem is more repetitive use. There is always a chance the bone graft will dislodge with a whiplash type of injury, but if it is fused, that is farily unlikely. If he has a plate and metal screws, those can break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfit93 View Post
    Peyton fits in every offense. Peyton = his own system.
    Absolutely true. He has had 3 head coaches and their offense has never changed. I cant even name one of his coordinators. Its clearly his system and we would be stupid to change it..
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    fact is that sherman and Philbin run a timing based offense with alot of no huddle that creates holes in the defense with match up problems. um, sounds like a peyton manning offense..
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    I just hope we get a chance at Manning. Thats all im asking for. The more i hear it almost sounds like Manning is gonna stay with Colts....
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    Quote Originally Posted by KB21 View Post
    First of all, whoever has told you that these surgical procedures only strengthen Peyton's neck is lying to you. Right now, Peyton has a bone graft in between his C6 and C7 vertebra. Do you know what comes along with that? A loss of motion at that level, because you now have something rigid this is occupying that space instead of the soft, cushion that was there that previously acted as a shock absorber of sorts and was elastic, not rigid. Do you know what this loss of motion in turn does? It changes the spinal mechanics at that level, creating more stress on the vertebra above and below the fused area. Do you know what happens with that increased stress? You ultimately get more bulging of the discs at those levels. You also get uncovertebral hypertrophy and bone spur formation, both of which is a chronic, degenerative condition. You know what comes with uncovertebral hypertrophy and bone spur formation? You get neuroforaminal stenosis, which if great enough, impinges on the nerve. You know what happens then? The same thing that Peyton has already been through. It's only a matter of time. He WILL have this surgery again at the level above or below.

    That doesn't even address the fact that he may have let the impingement go on too long before he had the fusion to begin with, and because of that, the nerve may never wake up. It is possible to recruit enough strength from the other muscles to offset the loss of function of the area the C7 nerve innervates within the triceps, serratus anterior, latissmus dorsi, and biceps brachialis muscle that he will be able to throw, but he will not be able to throw with any indurance.

    Basically, think of Dan Marino in 1999. That is what Miami will get with Peyton Manning coming off this injury.
    Interesting...never heard such a detailed description of his surgery and the effects. Assuming that the nerve is eventually going to 'wake up', how long would an appropriate estimate be of how long he will be able to perform until the increased stress requires another surgery? Are you insinuating that sometime within his next 3 years of play he will need another surgery while on the roster? That being the case I can't imagine how it hasn't been discussed, and how the demand for signing him is still so high.....that would just about remove one year of play from his potential remaining 3 years wouldn't it?
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    i'm confident that manning, philbin and sherman can figure it out..philbin said at his press conference that he's not bringing green bay's playbook to miami..he will build the offense around the players we have...
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    What does "fit" means?

    If we assume "fit" implies he could lead his team to wins following the playbook by the word.
    Then it's incorrect than Manning could fit in a WCO derivation.
    WCO requires a mobile passer, who throws with high accuracy and often blindly. Normally it's used a combination of quick drop, short passes and following the instructions of whoever has the pay-calling duties.
    Manning has never been a mobile QB. He's an infield OC, as he loves to change the play on the last instant, according to what he reads on the defensive scheme.

    If we understand "fit" as capable to use a playbook to his will.
    Then of course he can fit in a WCO derivation. He has been a successful QB within pass-friendly offenses. In fact when Colts won their last SB, he used short passes and quick drops to stretch the field, supported by a good running attack. I could see a little mix of using Philbin's playbook and giving a lot flexibility on the field.

    Resuming, Manning isn't a natural fit for a WCO derivation, but he's among the smartest passer of this league, so he could use any playbook and take the best of it.
    From Mexico, GO PHINS GO!!!
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