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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    a guy who is talking up Steve "I never won a playoff game" Grogan and has him as his username is talking about crushes? come on, seriously?


    Well most real football fans remember Grogan as a very talented QB that played his a$$ off for very bad teams and managed to stay in the league for over a decade. Taco Boy will be a back up QB within two years and out of the league in a hadfull more. Then we will see how much man-love your going to have left for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grogan12 View Post
    Well most real football fans remember Grogan as a very talented QB that played his a$$ off for very bad teams and managed to stay in the league for over a decade. Taco Boy will be a back up QB within two years and out of the league in a hadfull more. Then we will see how much man-love your going to have left for him.
    The Pats had some very talented teams in the 70s and 80s, Grogan was a decent QB who couldn't get it done when it mattered most. buttfumble will have a better, not longer, career than grogan- he has already been much better after 3 seasons.

    Steve had 5 consecutive 20+ INT seasons, I wonder what you would say about buttfumble if he even had 2 of those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The Pats had some very talented teams in the 70s and 80s, Grogan was a decent QB who couldn't get it done when it mattered most. buttfumble will have a better, not longer, career than grogan- he has already been much better after 3 seasons.
    Really? In 2011 he was the 23rd rated QB; in 2010 he was rated the 27th QB; and as a rookie in 2009, he was #28. So, if he's moving up at the rate of 5 spots every 3 years, he should hit the top ten in 2020!!!! YEE HAW!!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Steve had 5 consecutive 20+ INT seasons, I wonder what you would say about buttfumble if he even had 2 of those?
    You are comparing apples and oranges. QBs in the 1970s and 1980s made more long pass attempts than they do today, resulting in lower completion % and more TDs. That was also in the heyday of the "bump and run" pass defense when DBs regularly smacked WRs all over the field and DLers trampled QBs with impunity.

    Remember what the Ravens did to El Guapo on national TV last season? Well, that's what he'd have faced almost every game, and we all saw that he handled that pressure sooooo well! Your boy El Guapo would go running for his Mama if had to face what Grogan and the other QBs of that day faced every Sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    Really? In 2011 he was the 23rd rated QB; in 2010 he was rated the 27th QB; and as a rookie in 2009, he was #28. So, if he's moving up at the rate of 5 spots every 3 years, he should hit the top ten in 2020!!!! YEE HAW!!!!!




    You are comparing apples and oranges. QBs in the 1970s and 1980s made more long pass attempts than they do today, resulting in lower completion % and more TDs. That was also in the heyday of the "bump and run" pass defense when DBs regularly smacked WRs all over the field and DLers trampled QBs with impunity.

    Remember what the Ravens did to El Guapo on national TV last season? Well, that's what he'd have faced almost every game, and we all saw that he handled that pressure sooooo well! Your boy El Guapo would go running for his Mama if had to face what Grogan and the other QBs of that day faced every Sunday.
    It's a good thing we know this game well enough where we don't evaluate based on QB rating.

    obviously the game was different but show a good QB in his era w/ 5 consecutive 20+ INT seasons?

    so D's in the 70s and 80s were as good as the Ravens D was this year? interesting, I didn't realize this. How did offenses perform? I guess that is why all the best QBs threw 20 INts a season and never won playoff games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    It's a good thing we know this game well enough where we don't evaluate based on QB rating.

    obviously the game was different but show a good QB in his era w/ 5 consecutive 20+ INT seasons?

    so D's in the 70s and 80s were as good as the Ravens D was this year? interesting, I didn't realize this. How did offenses perform? I guess that is why all the best QBs threw 20 INts a season and never won playoff games?
    Namath has more INT's than Grogan, and also has 5 20+ INT seasons, albeit not in a row. Somehow, you'll spin that into a positive, but I'm fully expecting your homer response......

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...G/GrogSt00.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...N/NamaJo00.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The Giants absolutely win it all w/ buttfumble and they probably have more playoff wins and playoff apps if buttfumble is their QB, we probably don't even make a title game w/ Eli the last 2 years........
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBillsFan View Post
    Namath has more INT's than Grogan, and also has 5 20+ INT seasons, albeit not in a row. Somehow, you'll spin that into a positive, but I'm fully expecting your homer response......

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...G/GrogSt00.htm
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...N/NamaJo00.htm
    Actually I think Joe Namath is the most overrated player in the history of the game but he was obviously much better than Steve grogan. Namath's career was derailed by injuries but he did win a SB, right? and he did set records and he was great until his career was cut short due to injuries.

    I don't spin, I post facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    It's a good thing we know this game well enough where we don't evaluate based on QB rating.

    obviously the game was different but show a good QB in his era w/ 5 consecutive 20+ INT seasons?

    so D's in the 70s and 80s were as good as the Ravens D was this year? interesting, I didn't realize this. How did offenses perform? I guess that is why all the best QBs threw 20 INts a season and never won playoff games?
    Stop pretending to be so ignorant ... unless you really are as dumb as some of the crap that you post in which case I suppose you can't help yourself.

    Offenses and defenses were different in the 1970s and 1980s, at least partially because there were many fewer rules to protect players, especially offensive players, which meant that defenses had could be far more disruptive than they are today. Even mediocre defenses could raise havoc even with good offenses, and NE back then wasn't all that great a team.

    QBR doesn't count, but cherry picking other stats to "prove" your points is okay? By whatever standard you want to use, Steve Grogan was a better NFL QB than Mark buttfumble. buttfumble will be lucky to remain the Jests' starter. You can swallow that cago about Tebow being the backup and the wildcat QB but I think he was brought in to placate the fans when buttfumble proves to be his usual mediocre self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    Stop pretending to be so ignorant ... unless you really are as dumb as some of the crap that you post in which case I suppose you can't help yourself.

    Offenses and defenses were different in the 1970s and 1980s, at least partially because there were many fewer rules to protect players, especially offensive players, which meant that defenses had could be far more disruptive than they are today. Even mediocre defenses could raise havoc even with good offenses, and NE back then wasn't all that great a team.

    QBR doesn't count, but cherry picking other stats to "prove" your points is okay? By whatever standard you want to use, Steve Grogan was a better NFL QB than Mark buttfumble. buttfumble will be lucky to remain the Jests' starter. You can swallow that cago about Tebow being the backup and the wildcat QB but I think he was brought in to placate the fans when buttfumble proves to be his usual mediocre self.
    So let me undersatnd, defenses could be far more disruptive back in the 70s/80s than they can be today? so why doesn't buttfumble get any credit for winning today? I can't wait for the excuses on that one.

    If you don't have #s and you don't win how am I supposed to say a QB was better than buttfumble? I saw most of grogan's career(I did miss the 70s part), mark buttfumble is w/o a doubt a better QB than Steve grogan.

    tebow was brought in to palcate the fans? the fan base hates Tebow at the moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    Stop pretending to be so ignorant ... unless you really are as dumb as some of the crap that you post in which case I suppose you can't help yourself.

    Offenses and defenses were different in the 1970s and 1980s, at least partially because there were many fewer rules to protect players, especially offensive players, which meant that defenses had could be far more disruptive than they are today. Even mediocre defenses could raise havoc even with good offenses, and NE back then wasn't all that great a team.

    QBR doesn't count, but cherry picking other stats to "prove" your points is okay? By whatever standard you want to use, Steve Grogan was a better NFL QB than Mark buttfumble. buttfumble will be lucky to remain the Jests' starter. You can swallow that cago about Tebow being the backup and the wildcat QB but I think he was brought in to placate the fans when buttfumble proves to be his usual mediocre self.

    You're wasting your time with him, he will still have the buttfumble posters all over his bedroom walls long after he becomes another Jets draft day failuer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grogan12 View Post
    You're wasting your time with him, he will still have the buttfumble posters all over his bedroom walls long after he becomes another Jets draft day failuer.
    so says the guy who named himself after a player, a player w/ ZERO career playoff wins.
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