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Thread: My 2 ents on Ireland and the team

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    So in 4 years he has improved us 5 games what a genius.
    Lol it amazes me we are still talking about 1-15. then we went 11-5.The lions went 0-16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    So in 4 years he has improved us 5 games what a genius.
    Are you really going to make me pull out the Miami roster before he got here and compare it to a recent one? Ok


    Offense:
    QB 10 Trent Green 17 Cleo Lemon 9 John Beck
    HB 23 Ronnie Brown 28 Jesse Chatman 20 Lorenzo Booker
    38 Patrick Cobbs
    FB 45 Reagan Mauia
    WR1 84 Chris Chambers 82 Derek Hagan
    WR2 86 Marty Booker 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 83 Greg Camarillo
    TE 88 David Martin 87 Justin Peelle
    LT 72 Vernon Carey 71 Cory Lekkerkerker
    LG 76 Chris Liwienski 63 Gene Mruczkowski
    C 64 Samson Satele 66 Rex Hadnot
    RG 66 Rex Hadnot 63 Gene Mruczkowski
    RT 70 LJ Shelton 79 Anthony Alabi

    Defense:
    OE 99 Jason Taylor 93 Akbar Gbaja-Biamilla
    DT 91 Vonnie Holiday 90 Rodrique Wright
    NT 94 Keith Traylor 96 Paul Soliai 60 Steve Fifita
    LE 98 Matt Roth 95 Chase Page
    SLB 55 Joey Porter 59 Donnie Spragan 53 Abraham Wright
    MLB 54 Zach Thomas 58 Kelvin Smith
    WLB 52 Channing Crowder 56 Derrick Pope 50 Edmond Miles
    RCB 25 Will Allen 22 Michael Lehan 21 Andre Goodman (inj)
    LCB 29 Travis Daniels 32 Jason Allen
    SS 37 Yeremiah Bell 26 Travares Tillman 47 Courtney Bryan
    FS 24 Renaldo Hill 44 Cameron Worrell

    Special Teams:
    K 3 Jay Feely
    P 4 Brandon Fields
    LS 92 John Denney 99 Jason Taylor
    KR 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 20 Lorenzo Booker 23 Ronnie Brown
    PR 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 86 Marty Booker



    POS FIRST SECOND THIRD OTHER
    WR Davone Bess
    LT Jake Long Will Barker
    LG Richie Incognito Ray Feinga
    C Mike Pouncey Ryan Cook
    RG Vernon Carey John Jerry
    RT Marc Colombo Nate Garner
    TE Anthony Fasano Jeron Mastrud Will Yeatman
    WR Brian Hartline Clyde Gates Julius Pruitt
    QB Matt Moore JP Losman Pat Devlin
    RB Reggie Bush Daniel Thomas Lex Hilliard Steve Slaton
    FB Charles Clay


    LDE Kendall Langford Tony McDaniel
    NT Paul Soliai Ryan Baker
    RDE Randy Starks Phillip Merling Jared Odrick
    SLB Jason Taylor Ikaika Alama-Francis
    ILB Karlos Dansby Austin Spitler Marvin Mitchell
    ILB Kevin Burnett
    WLB Cameron Wake Jason Trusnik
    LCB Sean Smith Will Allen
    RCB Vontae Davis Nolan Carroll Jimmy Wilson
    SS Yeremiah Bell Tyrone Culver
    FS Reshad Jones Chris Clemons

    Now the first thing I notice is the youth. Our roster is much younger and with youth comes growing pain but I have no doubt that if ireland keeps drafting like this we will be ready to compete for a loooong time pretty soon! I know it's hard but enjoy the proceSs.. Don't pay attention to all these media Debbie downers



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    Quote Originally Posted by Oraclepz View Post
    Are you really going to make me pull out the Miami roster before he got here and compare it to a recent one? Ok


    Offense:
    QB 10 Trent Green 17 Cleo Lemon 9 John Beck
    HB 23 Ronnie Brown 28 Jesse Chatman 20 Lorenzo Booker
    38 Patrick Cobbs
    FB 45 Reagan Mauia
    WR1 84 Chris Chambers 82 Derek Hagan
    WR2 86 Marty Booker 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 83 Greg Camarillo
    TE 88 David Martin 87 Justin Peelle
    LT 72 Vernon Carey 71 Cory Lekkerkerker
    LG 76 Chris Liwienski 63 Gene Mruczkowski
    C 64 Samson Satele 66 Rex Hadnot
    RG 66 Rex Hadnot 63 Gene Mruczkowski
    RT 70 LJ Shelton 79 Anthony Alabi

    Defense:
    OE 99 Jason Taylor 93 Akbar Gbaja-Biamilla
    DT 91 Vonnie Holiday 90 Rodrique Wright
    NT 94 Keith Traylor 96 Paul Soliai 60 Steve Fifita
    LE 98 Matt Roth 95 Chase Page
    SLB 55 Joey Porter 59 Donnie Spragan 53 Abraham Wright
    MLB 54 Zach Thomas 58 Kelvin Smith
    WLB 52 Channing Crowder 56 Derrick Pope 50 Edmond Miles
    RCB 25 Will Allen 22 Michael Lehan 21 Andre Goodman (inj)
    LCB 29 Travis Daniels 32 Jason Allen
    SS 37 Yeremiah Bell 26 Travares Tillman 47 Courtney Bryan
    FS 24 Renaldo Hill 44 Cameron Worrell

    Special Teams:
    K 3 Jay Feely
    P 4 Brandon Fields
    LS 92 John Denney 99 Jason Taylor
    KR 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 20 Lorenzo Booker 23 Ronnie Brown
    PR 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 86 Marty Booker



    POS FIRST SECOND THIRD OTHER
    WR Davone Bess
    LT Jake Long Will Barker
    LG Richie Incognito Ray Feinga
    C Mike Pouncey Ryan Cook
    RG Vernon Carey John Jerry
    RT Marc Colombo Nate Garner
    TE Anthony Fasano Jeron Mastrud Will Yeatman
    WR Brian Hartline Clyde Gates Julius Pruitt
    QB Matt Moore JP Losman Pat Devlin
    RB Reggie Bush Daniel Thomas Lex Hilliard Steve Slaton
    FB Charles Clay


    LDE Kendall Langford Tony McDaniel
    NT Paul Soliai Ryan Baker
    RDE Randy Starks Phillip Merling Jared Odrick
    SLB Jason Taylor Ikaika Alama-Francis
    ILB Karlos Dansby Austin Spitler Marvin Mitchell
    ILB Kevin Burnett
    WLB Cameron Wake Jason Trusnik
    LCB Sean Smith Will Allen
    RCB Vontae Davis Nolan Carroll Jimmy Wilson
    SS Yeremiah Bell Tyrone Culver
    FS Reshad Jones Chris Clemons

    Now the first thing I notice is the youth. Our roster is much younger and with youth comes growing pain but I have no doubt that if ireland keeps drafting like this we will be ready to compete for a loooong time pretty soon! I know it's hard but enjoy the proceSs.. Don't pay attention to all these media Debbie downers
    I dont need the media to tell me we have had three straight losing seasons. Just because we possibly have more talent the results are no better and results are what count. In 4 years we have developed an oline that tied a record for most sacks ever by a phin team and we invested alot of money and picks in it. Drafting like what basically one starter a year will not have us competing
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlockz View Post
    I dont need the media to tell me we have had three straight losing seasons. Just because we possibly have more talent the results are no better and results are what count. In 4 years we have developed an oline that tied a record for most sacks ever by a phin team and we invested alot of money and picks in it. Drafting like what basically one starter a year will not have us competing
    The offensive line situation has been a disaster and a lot of that is on Ireland and Parcells. I know it was Tony's specialty and folks like to blame him for the unit playing like crap, but Jake Grove? Justin Smiley? Etc? Tony didn't sign those guys.
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    Ireland gets pieces to win. He cant play offense nor defense. We went 0-7 and some how got 6 wins with Moore. We would of had more wins if it wasnt for our Def against Broncos and if Marshall would of caught a pass agaisnt Dallas.

    We did lose to the Giants (Superbowl champs) by what 4 points? We didnt get blown out like the Falcons.
    As of now I want to give Ireland another draft before making my final verdict. He did get us players like Clay, Jimmy Wilson and Pouncey. I will give Gates more time. We needed a fast guy and we got one of the fastest in that draft for cheap.

    Let Moore start this year as we have no choice. Draft a rookie QB but dont reach for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oraclepz View Post
    Are you really going to make me pull out the Miami roster before he got here and compare it to a recent one? Ok


    Offense:
    QB 10 Trent Green 17 Cleo Lemon 9 John Beck
    HB 23 Ronnie Brown 28 Jesse Chatman 20 Lorenzo Booker
    38 Patrick Cobbs
    FB 45 Reagan Mauia
    WR1 84 Chris Chambers 82 Derek Hagan
    WR2 86 Marty Booker 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 83 Greg Camarillo
    TE 88 David Martin 87 Justin Peelle
    LT 72 Vernon Carey 71 Cory Lekkerkerker
    LG 76 Chris Liwienski 63 Gene Mruczkowski
    C 64 Samson Satele 66 Rex Hadnot
    RG 66 Rex Hadnot 63 Gene Mruczkowski
    RT 70 LJ Shelton 79 Anthony Alabi

    Defense:
    OE 99 Jason Taylor 93 Akbar Gbaja-Biamilla
    DT 91 Vonnie Holiday 90 Rodrique Wright
    NT 94 Keith Traylor 96 Paul Soliai 60 Steve Fifita
    LE 98 Matt Roth 95 Chase Page
    SLB 55 Joey Porter 59 Donnie Spragan 53 Abraham Wright
    MLB 54 Zach Thomas 58 Kelvin Smith
    WLB 52 Channing Crowder 56 Derrick Pope 50 Edmond Miles
    RCB 25 Will Allen 22 Michael Lehan 21 Andre Goodman (inj)
    LCB 29 Travis Daniels 32 Jason Allen
    SS 37 Yeremiah Bell 26 Travares Tillman 47 Courtney Bryan
    FS 24 Renaldo Hill 44 Cameron Worrell

    Special Teams:
    K 3 Jay Feely
    P 4 Brandon Fields
    LS 92 John Denney 99 Jason Taylor
    KR 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 20 Lorenzo Booker 23 Ronnie Brown
    PR 19 Ted Ginn,Jr 86 Marty Booker



    POS FIRST SECOND THIRD OTHER
    WR Davone Bess
    LT Jake Long Will Barker
    LG Richie Incognito Ray Feinga
    C Mike Pouncey Ryan Cook
    RG Vernon Carey John Jerry
    RT Marc Colombo Nate Garner
    TE Anthony Fasano Jeron Mastrud Will Yeatman
    WR Brian Hartline Clyde Gates Julius Pruitt
    QB Matt Moore JP Losman Pat Devlin
    RB Reggie Bush Daniel Thomas Lex Hilliard Steve Slaton
    FB Charles Clay


    LDE Kendall Langford Tony McDaniel
    NT Paul Soliai Ryan Baker
    RDE Randy Starks Phillip Merling Jared Odrick
    SLB Jason Taylor Ikaika Alama-Francis
    ILB Karlos Dansby Austin Spitler Marvin Mitchell
    ILB Kevin Burnett
    WLB Cameron Wake Jason Trusnik
    LCB Sean Smith Will Allen
    RCB Vontae Davis Nolan Carroll Jimmy Wilson
    SS Yeremiah Bell Tyrone Culver
    FS Reshad Jones Chris Clemons

    Now the first thing I notice is the youth. Our roster is much younger and with youth comes growing pain but I have no doubt that if ireland keeps drafting like this we will be ready to compete for a loooong time pretty soon! I know it's hard but enjoy the proceSs.. Don't pay attention to all these media Debbie downers
    All I see from that is we're worse at QB and WR and everything else is a push. What was your point again?
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    The more I look at things in detail, the happier I am with Ireland and this group. Just one example-your first round pick should be a slam-dunk starter or at least contributor every single draft. Take a look at our historical first round picks:
    In 1996, our first round pick was Daryl Gardener. Great player who started and contributed for years. After that:
    1997: Yatil Green
    1998: John Avery
    1999: JJ Johnson
    2000: No 1st round pick (took Todd Wade in 2nd)
    2001: Jamar Fletcher
    2002: No 1st rnd pick
    2003: No 1st rnd pick (but we got Eddie Moore in rnd 2)
    2004: Vernon Carey
    2005: Ronnie Brown (with #2 pick overall)
    2006: Jason Allen
    2007: Ted Ginn (with #9 pick overall, we got his family too)
    Now start Ireland's tenure:
    2008: Jake Long - started from Day 1, perrenial pro-bowler
    2009: Vontae Davis - starter, #1 cb on team, called best cb nobody knows by HOF QB Brett Favre
    2010: Jared Odrick - missed first year with injury, contributor on deep line last year, projected starter this year + Koa Misi (remember we traded back, so our 1st rnd pick actually got us both guys)- he's a starter, but we're looking to upgrade
    2011: Mike Pouncey - started at center from Day 1, projected as a top center in the league

    Bottom line is we've actually gotten somewhere with our first round picks under Ireland, while the majority of those before him were absolute busts, and only a few actual contributors in Carey and Brown, that I would argue were reaches at their spots. He inherited a team devoid of talent because of previous lunacy with our 1st rounders. Cut the guy some slack!
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