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Thread: Matt Moore was the 12th best QB in the NFL last season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3 View Post
    and the year before that he was number 8. so... yeah perhaps we really should see what he does this year.
    Here's what we know:

    in 2009 w/ Carolina out of the race Moore was 4-1 as a starter and threw 8 TDs w/ 1 INT
    in 2010 as Carolina opening day starter he was 1-4 w/ 5 TDs and 10 INTs
    in 2011 w/ Miami still somewhat in it at 0-3 he led them to the loss at SD then went 0-3 as a starter throwing 1 TD w/ 4 INTs, after the season was over at 0-7 he led them to a record of 6-3 w/ 15 TDs and 5 INTs

    If he gives you confidence he can help a winning team then good luck w/ that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Here's what we know:

    in 2009 w/ Carolina out of the race Moore was 4-1 as a starter and threw 8 TDs w/ 1 INT
    in 2010 as Carolina opening day starter he was 1-4 w/ 5 TDs and 10 INTs
    in 2011 w/ Miami still somewhat in it at 0-3 he led them to the loss at SD then went 0-3 as a starter throwing 1 TD w/ 4 INTs, after the season was over at 0-7 he led them to a record of 6-3 w/ 15 TDs and 5 INTs

    If he gives you confidence he can help a winning team then good luck w/ that.
    without your defense does buttfumble inspire you with his sub 60 percent completion ratio and below 75 career QBR? that carolina team was absolutely horrible with and withouth moore's poor play they were completely devoid of coaching and talent. what's buttfumble's excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3 View Post
    without your defense does buttfumble inspire you with his sub 60 percent completion ratio and below 75 career QBR? that carolina team was absolutely horrible with and withouth moore's poor play they were completely devoid of coaching and talent. what's buttfumble's excuse?
    That's the point, it's hard to stay silent when an outsider inserts himself to criticize Moore when hypocritically he's still championing what's dawned on most everyone and finally many jest fans as the worst starting QB in the league.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    That's the point, it's hard to stay silent when an outsider inserts himself to criticize Moore when hypocritically he's still championing what's dawned on most everyone and finally many jest fans as the worst starting QB in the league.
    yeah, hard to find the golden lining to a qb who's rated 28th, 23rd, 27th the last 3 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NBP81 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casas9425 View Post
    He's the new Kyle Orton, puts up good stats in meaningless games but can't deliver in big spots. And much like Orton he'll fall apart without Brandon Marshall catching his floaters.
    Not true at all. As long as COLUMBO-CAREY existed, it cost MIAMI losses. Throw in "The Meatball", a totally unready HC, together w/the lingering stench of PARCELLSBALL, and there's a major problem...and it isn't named MOORE, or even HENNE. Everything matters, Casas: EVERYTHING.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildbill3 View Post
    yeah, hard to find the golden lining to a qb who's rated 28th, 23rd, 27th the last 3 years.
    You forget though. The only one who is objective and rational enough to arbitrarily decide which stats should be held to a higher value than others and which regular season games aribitrarily mean more than others and therefore should hold a higher value in evalutating qb play, is a jets fan who has hitched his horse to the buttfumble wagon since day one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeep View Post
    Screw the 12th best.. I got spoiled with Dan Marino and I wont be happy until we have the #1 best QB in the league again.. until then, all the QB's with the fish on their helmets are just pretenders..
    How many SBs did MARINO win, again? I/m/o, he's a feel-good, "stats" oriented failure. MIAMI went to one SB w/him, and we lost. All this w/one of the best HCs ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    buttfumble was better statistically this year than last year- by a lot but did you see me crowing about how much he improved? why is that? some people rely 100% on stats, others use them as a tool but can see the big picture.
    Find, since you must turn my Matt Moore thread into a Mark buttfumble thread, lets talk about him.

    In 2009 buttfumble had a QB rating of 63.0 which made him the 28th QB in the NFL (Behind Chad Henne at 22)
    In 2010 buttfumble had a QB rating of 75.3 which made him the 27th QB in the NFL (Behind Chad Henne at 26)
    In 2011 buttfumble had a QB rating of 78.2 which made him the 23th QB in the NFL (Behind Matt Moore at 12)

    buttfumble has always been condiered the starter for the Jets so he has always gooten almost all the training camp, preseason and during the season practice snaps.

    On the other hand, Matt Moore and Tim Tebow both did not.

    In 2011, Matt Moore was clearly better then Mark buttfumble in every area. From completion percentage, to yards per attempt to touchdowns per attempts, completions over 20 and over 40 yards. It is not even close or up for debate.

    But there are a lot of people (including most Jets fans) who think buttfumble had a better season then Tebow did. They are wrong.

    Tebow did have a lower QB rating of 72.9 (still better then buttfumble's first season) and his completion percentage was lower at 46.5%.

    But let us go into the stats. Remembering that Tebow had no training camp and did not start or take practice reps till the 5th game and that the Broncos traded away their most experienced WR in Brandon Lloyd.

    Here are the numbers broken down by attempts.

    buttfumble and Tebow both had a 6.4 yards per attempt average (Moore's was 7.2 for example)

    buttfumble threw for a touchdown every 20.8 attempts.
    Tebow threw for a touchdown every 22.5 attempts.

    buttfumble threw a interception every 30.1 attempts.
    Tebow threw a interception every 46.1 attempts.

    buttfumble completed a over 20 yard pass every 13.9 attempts.
    Tebow completed a over 20 yard pass every 10.8 attempts.

    buttfumble completed a over 40 yard pass every 271.5 attempts.
    Tebow completed a over 40 yard pass every 45.1 attempts.


    (once again, Matt Moore beat all these numbers)

    But for me, the best way to contrast the two QB is in the head to head meeting.

    On Nov 17th, 2011, the Jets played the Broncos.

    buttfumble was 24 out of 40 for 252 yards. Tebow was only 9 for 20 for only 104 yards.

    Which QB helped his team more?

    If you look at the game log you see that buttfumble in the 3rd Qtr threw a interception that Andre Goodman returned for a touchdown.

    With 5:54 left in the game. Tebow took the Broncos on a 12 play, 95 yard drive and finished it with a 20 yard run for the winning touchdown.

    So which QB had a better day?

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=3111 17007

    Thanks for playing and please start your own "I love buttfumble thread".

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