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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    One thing is certain, if the Dolphins plan to pass on Tannehill at #8 then they should damn well have a better PR strategy in place than "I want to turn those thumbs-downs into thumbs-up with this great kick returner and his family".

    They ought to be able to anticipate that the crowd will be upset, even the people that didn't want Tannehill.
    that's what i'm sayin...they pass on tannehill its gonna be a pr nightmare...ireland said let it play out...well whats the damn plan if its not tannehill in the draft??? i tell ya what the plan is...they don't have one...

    should have just paid flynn enough to get him here and give him 2012...but not us...not smart enough...god this team frustrates the hell out of me...start 0 and 7 and win when it does not matter can't lose when they need to can't land a qb in free agency who's not crippled or a stop gap...this is the cross i bear...a miami dolphins fan
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    Weeden is 29 this fall, and you think he'll give us a solid 10 years? How many qbs go until 38 or 39? Not many.
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    I know I am going to get shredded for this, but I honestly wouldn't care if they took him at 8. I know it's a reach, but if they think he is going to be legit, then grab him. Yeah, I get his age is an issue. He is arguably 2nd-best QB in the draft and he can contribute immediately. Isn't that what you want in a top-10 pick?
    I think Cleveland pounces on him at 22. I also think it will be tough to for T-Hill to slide past KC or Seattle. If Miami and Cleveland pass on T-Hill in top 10, there isn't a guarantee that one of those teams gets him later.
    If they did this, people will be pissed, but I wouldn't care all that much. If they screw around and miss on both, then they are staring Osweiler in the face and I would be MUCH more pissed if they took him in 2nd over Weeden at 8.
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    I think it's unlikely we have much interest in Weedon - maybe even if he was still on board in the 2nd round

    To me the signing of David Garrard and the admission there will be a training camp battle between him and Moore points very much towards drafting either a "project" QB or no QB at all. A training camp QB battle between two QBs trying to learn a new system means that there will be very few snaps for your rookie so development is likely to be slow

    Tannehill might be possible because he's clearly going to take time regardless although whether he would be afforded it by owner and fans if picked at #8 is open to question. Weedon I would see as needing less time (or at least his age is going to dictate that anyway). If Weedon was the plan then the Garrard signing makes no sense to me
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    if Tannehill or Weeden are "the plan", they have to be taken @8, you can┤t gamble on a plan THAT urgent...any other choice (Foles, Cousins, Osw.) means that they┤re ok with Matt Moore/Garrard for this year
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    That's probably correct. The Browns could take him at #22 overall in order to take risk out of the equation, but the question is what happened to Ryan Tannehill? Did the Browns take him or was it someone else? The chances of the Browns and Dolphins both still needing a quarterback and focusing on Weeden are actually kind of low.

    I could actually see a repeat of 2007 happening. The Browns will pass on Tannehill at #4 because they don't have a high enough grade for him, Miami could pass on Tannehill at #8 overall for whatever BS reason the Dolphins decide to do anything they do nowadays, and Tannehill could fall down the board to where the Browns find themselves trading up from #22 overall to make sure they get him above the Eagles, as a for instance. The Browns actually have quite the arsenal of draft picks. They have #004, #022, #037, #067, #100, #118, #139, #160, #204, #205, #211, #245 and #247. They could package together their #067 and #118 picks and move up from #22 to #14.

    That would send Weeden tumbling all the way in my opinion to pick #041 where the Buffalo Bills would snap him up just in front of the Dolphins. Or perhaps the Chiefs get anxious and trade ahead of #42 and #41 to get him.

    But all of this is predicated on both Miami and Cleveland not taking Tannehill in the top 10. I'm not sure that's going to happen. I think Miami goes after Tannehill at #8.

    If Miami were to choose not to do that, and the Browns don't somehow come away with Tannehill, and there's a real staring match between the Browns and Dolphins over Weeden, you could see the Browns take Weeden at #22 just because it would be too easy for the Dolphins to move in front of their #37 overall pick. Getting from #42 to #37 only costs the equivalent of a low 4th round pick. Miami has a high 4th round pick and they have two high 3rd round picks. They could jump from #42 to #33 or #34 very easily, probably only having to give up their #103 overall pick. If the Browns are banking on Weeden they may decide they can't take that chance. They'll force Miami to trade all the way up from #42 overall to #21 overall, which could not only be cost-prohibitive, but there may just not be any interest from the Bengals or Titans in doing something like that. Who wants to move their 1st round pick all the way to the mid-2nd, unless they're getting a ridiculous deal?
    Ck...your analysis is always well respected and insightful. I think the Dolphins either come away from this draft with Tannehill or Weeden or Ireland is absolute TOAST. As far as ticket sales and PR...Ireland MUST come away from this draft with one or the other. I see Tannehill still at #8 when the Fins come up. If I am Cleveland I look for Richardson at #4 and at the bottom of round 1.
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    "He beat Robert Griffin 59 to 24, he beat Andrew Luck in the Fiesta Bowl, he beat Landry Jones, he beat Ryan Tannehill. I like Brandon Weeden, as you can tell. I would find something for him to do.''-- ESPN analyst Jon Gruden, on Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticophin View Post
    "He beat Robert Griffin 59 to 24, he beat Andrew Luck in the Fiesta Bowl, he beat Landry Jones, he beat Ryan Tannehill. I like Brandon Weeden, as you can tell. I would find something for him to do.''-- ESPN analyst Jon Gruden, on Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden.
    He also lost to Freshman qb Jared Barnett but unfortunately football is not an individual game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticophin View Post
    "He beat Robert Griffin 59 to 24, he beat Andrew Luck in the Fiesta Bowl, he beat Landry Jones, he beat Ryan Tannehill. I like Brandon Weeden, as you can tell. I would find something for him to do.''-- ESPN analyst Jon Gruden, on Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden.
    He should have beaten those guys, he's a grown man with a wide open offense and top WR.
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    He didn't beat any of those QBs - the two of them were never even on the field at the same time. His offense beat those guys' defense by more points than their offense beat Weeden's defense.

    A victory over an average QB with an elite defense would be a bigger indicator of NFL success than beating an elite QB with an average defense. It's a facile comparison of Gruden's which appeals to egos but has little relevance in a team sport that pits offense against defense.
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