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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    First off, I'm NOT a Miami fan. I'm a Bills fan.

    Second, the last time I looked, except for Hill, the Jests have NOT filled any of their major holes in FA or in the draft. Even Hill is questionable in that he had 49 career catches, a number most good college WRs surpass in a single year. It looks like he may have been brought in to block rather than catch.

    Wayne Hunter is still the starting RT. The OGs are still old and/or mediocre. Shonn Greene is still the only RB of note on the team. Coples is may improve the Jets pass rush marginally. The Jets are depending upon Ellis and Laron Landry at strong safety, even though Landry's achilles injury may or may not be good to go. The Jets still don't have any veteran at FS.

    Oh, yeah, and the Jests are still bumping up against the salary cap thanks to the big salaries/bonuses they gave to mediocre players like Sanchez and Holmes.

    FTR, it was problems on the offense and in the locker room that clueless Rex missed. The problem with the Jests defense last season was that schemes can't compensate for significant talent deficiences forever.
    But... But... Holmes is a Super Bowl MVP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    Sanchez has NOT "proven to be a successful starting QB". If he actually had, the Jests wouldn't have traded for Timmie Tebow.
    They didn't trade for tebow to be our QB, they traded for him to be a weapon int he offense. 2 title game apps in 3 years equakls success no matter what way you look at it. You aren't getting that far w/ poor QB play no matter how many excuses you guys want to make.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    That's because they didn't have the cap room thanks to the fat contracts they handed out to the likes of Sanchez and Holmes.
    Like any good organization they will explore any way to make the team better but every move made since the end of last season was made w/ the idea of returning Sanchez to 2010 form rather than 2011. There was no chance at all, even if we had cap room which we could have created if they really wanted him, of getting Peyton and it would have been a terrible move if they made it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    First off, I'm NOT a Miami fan. I'm a Bills fan.

    Second, the last time I looked, except for Hill, the Jests have NOT filled any of their major holes in FA or in the draft. Even Hill is questionable in that he had 49 career catches, a number most good college WRs surpass in a single year. It looks like he may have been brought in to block rather than catch.

    Wayne Hunter is still the starting RT. The OGs are still old and/or mediocre. Shonn Greene is still the only RB of note on the team. Coples is may improve the Jets pass rush marginally. The Jets are depending upon Ellis and Laron Landry at strong safety, even though Landry's achilles injury may or may not be good to go. The Jets still don't have any veteran at FS.

    Oh, yeah, and the Jests are still bumping up against the salary cap thanks to the big salaries/bonuses they gave to mediocre players like Sanchez and Holmes.

    FTR, it was problems on the offense and in the locker room that clueless Rex missed. The problem with the Jests defense last season was that schemes can't compensate for significant talent deficiences forever.
    You don't judge prospects based on #s, he was in a run first offense.

    The only real hole we have is at RT but let's not forget we nearly made a SB w/ that same RT so the cupcoard isn't bare.

    This D is going to be much better for a few reasons. Rex is calling the D again which is HUGE, Wilkerson & Ellis in year 2, Coples as a rookie, a slim downed bart Scott, the return of Bryan Thomas, Landry at Safety. This D will look much more like 2009 than 2011.

    offensively it was ALL about the Ol last year, mangold is healthy, Slauson was hurt most of the year and had surgery will be healthy, Moore missed all offseason will be healthy, we have deep threats to throw to on O, Greene is a quality back, Keller is a very good pass catching TE.

    The jets are clearly the 2nd best team in the division on paper going into 2012, does that mean we play more like '09-'10 like we should? nope but I feel pretty good, every team has holed but the Jets don't have many right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisturbedShifty View Post
    But... But... Holmes is a Super Bowl MVP.
    we all know Holmes sucks, you need winners like Brandon marshall and Stevie Johnson to succeed in this league. Guys who always make big plays at key moments of games to help their teams win
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post



    we all know Holmes sucks, you need winners like Brandon marshall and Stevie Johnson to succeed in this league. Guys who always make big plays at key moments of games to help their teams win
    Won't get an argument out of me about Marshall. Never wanted him in the first place. But Holmes has only helped one team to the Super Bowl, not two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DisturbedShifty View Post
    Won't get an argument out of me about Marshall. Never wanted him in the first place. But Holmes has only helped one team to the Super Bowl, not two.
    he nearly helped two, he helped a 2nd franchise make a title game. Last year was bad w/o a doubt and he didn't perform, hopefully w/ a fire lit this year he does perform again.
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    The only real hole we have is at RT but let's not forget we nearly made a SB w/ that same RT so the cupcoard isn't bare.
    With just one hole you have on the team does this mean they're a shoo-in for AFC Conference Champ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinzN703 View Post
    With just one hole you have on the team does this mean they're a shoo-in for AFC Conference Champ?
    We'll see, I would feel better if we had Ryan Tannehill but we should be ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    They didn't trade for tebow to be our QB, they traded for him to be a weapon int he offense. 2 title game apps in 3 years equakls success no matter what way you look at it. You aren't getting that far w/ poor QB play no matter how many excuses you guys want to make.
    Yeah, right. Fact: Sanchez sucked last season. In fact, he sucked so bad that his best WR rebelled against his crappy play, but your infallible HC was too oblivous to notice. Unlike other Jests players and fans, Holmes knows what good QB play is, and Sanchez didn't provide it. Furthermore, Sanchez has been so successful, they're going to use another QB on as many as 1/3 of the Jests' offensive plays! Lie to yourself all you want, Junc, but Tebow will see the field as the starter in 2012.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Like any good organization they will explore any way to make the team better but every move made since the end of last season was made w/ the idea of returning Sanchez to 2010 form rather than 2011. There was no chance at all, even if we had cap room which we could have created if they really wanted him, of getting Peyton and it would have been a terrible move if they made it.
    Wayne Hunter is still the starting RT. Vlad Ducasse is still his backup. In an OL-deep draft with lots of RT prospects, the Jests ignored the OL totally. They took a DE with serious questions about his attitude rather than taking the best OG prospect to come along in a decade. The WR they traded up for in the second is more of a blocker than a receiver. A 6th round RB would likely struggle to make the final cut on most teams, but probably not on the "ground and pound" Jests who have Shonn Greene as their starter.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    You don't judge prospects based on #s, he was in a run first offense.
    Which is why I said Hill looks to be more of a blocker than a receiver. NFL WRs are supposed to primarily catch balls, so having lots of catches would be better than not. However, since it looks like Rex and Tony are trying to abandon the forward pass, I suppose Hill is perfect. Good luck with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The only real hole we have is at RT but let's not forget we nearly made a SB w/ that same RT so the cupcoard isn't bare.
    The problem with this thinking is that Wayne Hunter's faults have been exposed to the NFL for a full season.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    This D is going to be much better for a few reasons. Rex is calling the D again which is HUGE, Wilkerson & Ellis in year 2, Coples as a rookie, a slim downed bart Scott, the return of Bryan Thomas, Landry at Safety. This D will look much more like 2009 than 2011.
    Right. Your defensive front 7 is old and/or mediocre. Your FSs are non-existent. Your SSs are 1) barely NFL caliber or 2) coming off a devastating injury (Achilles tendon). Your star CB is contemplating holding out again.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    offensively it was ALL about the Ol last year, mangold is healthy, Slauson was hurt most of the year and had surgery will be healthy, Moore missed all offseason will be healthy, we have deep threats to throw to on O, Greene is a quality back, Keller is a very good pass catching TE.
    You're trying to create gold out of lead, but go to it, dude. None of this BS addresses the fact that you still have a QB under center who
    • has never completed 60% of his passes in a season
    • checks down rather than throws downfield, especially on third and longs
    • gets sacked too much and fumbles too frequently
    • can't make pre-snap reads
    • throws late because he can't find open receivers, resulting in INTs and passes thrown behind the receiver
    • appears detached and disinterested in the game while on the bench


    I could go on, but I won't bore you.

    Then there's the whole Tebow/Tebot issue. What happens to Sanchez's fragile ego when 60,000 fans are yelling "Tebow, Tebow, Tebow" after he gets sacked or throws an INT.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The jets are clearly the 2nd best team in the division on paper going into 2012, does that mean we play more like '09-'10 like we should? nope but I feel pretty good, every team has holed but the Jets don't have many right now.
    Actually the Jests were an errant Tony Romo pass and a Stevie Johnson TD drop from being 6-10 like the Bills and the Fins. There's nothing "clearly" about them being the "2nd best team in the division", on paper or otherwise. Furthermore, the Jests have as many if not more holes than their division rivals.

    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    we all know Holmes sucks, you need winners like Brandon marshall and Stevie Johnson to succeed in this league. Guys who always make big plays at key moments of games to help their teams win
    What "big plays at key moments of games to help their teams win" did Holmes make last season? I suppose it was his temper tantrum that got him benched against Miami in the season finale ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    he nearly helped two, he helped a 2nd franchise make a title game. Last year was bad w/o a doubt and he didn't perform, hopefully w/ a fire lit this year he does perform again.
    Did nobody ever tell you that "close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    We'll see, I would feel better if we had Ryan Tannehill but we should be ok.
    Does. Not. Compute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    Yeah, right. Fact: Sanchez sucked last season. In fact, he sucked so bad that his best WR rebelled against his crappy play, but your infallible HC was too oblivous to notice. Unlike other Jests players and fans, Holmes knows what good QB play is, and Sanchez didn't provide it. Furthermore, Sanchez has been so successful, they're going to use another QB on as many as 1/3 of the Jests' offensive plays! Lie to yourself all you want, Junc, but Tebow will see the field as the starter in 2012.



    Wayne Hunter is still the starting RT. Vlad Ducasse is still his backup. In an OL-deep draft with lots of RT prospects, the Jests ignored the OL totally. They took a DE with serious questions about his attitude rather than taking the best OG prospect to come along in a decade. The WR they traded up for in the second is more of a blocker than a receiver. A 6th round RB would likely struggle to make the final cut on most teams, but probably not on the "ground and pound" Jests who have Shonn Greene as their starter.



    Which is why I said Hill looks to be more of a blocker than a receiver. NFL WRs are supposed to primarily catch balls, so having lots of catches would be better than not. However, since it looks like Rex and Tony are trying to abandon the forward pass, I suppose Hill is perfect. Good luck with that.



    The problem with this thinking is that Wayne Hunter's faults have been exposed to the NFL for a full season.



    Right. Your defensive front 7 is old and/or mediocre. Your FSs are non-existent. Your SSs are 1) barely NFL caliber or 2) coming off a devastating injury (Achilles tendon). Your star CB is contemplating holding out again.



    You're trying to create gold out of lead, but go to it, dude. None of this BS addresses the fact that you still have a QB under center who
    • has never completed 60% of his passes in a season
    • checks down rather than throws downfield, especially on third and longs
    • gets sacked too much and fumbles too frequently
    • can't make pre-snap reads
    • throws late because he can't find open receivers, resulting in INTs and passes thrown behind the receiver
    • appears detached and disinterested in the game while on the bench


    I could go on, but I won't bore you.

    Then there's the whole Tebow/Tebot issue. What happens to Sanchez's fragile ego when 60,000 fans are yelling "Tebow, Tebow, Tebow" after he gets sacked or throws an INT.



    Actually the Jests were an errant Tony Romo pass and a Stevie Johnson TD drop from being 6-10 like the Bills and the Fins. There's nothing "clearly" about them being the "2nd best team in the division", on paper or otherwise. Furthermore, the Jests have as many if not more holes than their division rivals.



    What "big plays at key moments of games to help their teams win" did Holmes make last season? I suppose it was his temper tantrum that got him benched against Miami in the season finale ...

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    Did nobody ever tell you that "close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades?
    Yep he sucked so bad he ws still better than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

    Tebow is not taking 1/3 of the snaps. Don't be fooled by everything that you read. Rex said Tebow may get AS MANY as 20 snaps per game. he never said 20 as a QB, he's going to be the up man on punts, he's going to line up in the backfield behind Sanchez as a RB/FB. He'll run a few WC plays per game but not 1/3 of our plays.

    Tim Tebow will only be our starter if Sanchez gets hurt.

    Wayne Hunter started for us in an AFC Championship Game 2 years ago, he sucked in 2011 w/o a doubt but it's not like the man cannot play. This is the one hole that concerns me and I'm not comfortable w/ him being our starter but it could be worse.

    The WR we traded up for played in a run first offense, he hasn't had the chance to catch the ball a lot. He'll be a deep threat and a great blocker for us- much like Braylon was hopefully.

    Shonn Green averaged over 4 YPC w/ a bad OL in 2011. It's not like he's CJ Spiller and we used a top 10 pick on him.

    Our DL is going to be outstanding and we have good LBs. Our front 7 will be pretty good.

    Let's see if revis holds out, nothing has been indictaed either way. Eric Smith was hurt last year, he'll be healthy(to start the year) this year, much like Hunter he started for us in a conf title game just 2 years ago.


    Sanchez was excellent throwing downfield when he had Braylon, he didn't have a guy that could get downfield and he didn't have the time to throw it downfield.

    all of those bullet points are perceptions except the comp %.

    Mark has a fragile ego now? last year he responded to pre game boos by throwing 4 TDs. That doesn't seem fragile to me.

    his 38 yd TD sealed the Miami game
    he caught the GW TD against your Bills at the Meadowlands
    His TD at Orchard park seperated the two teams in what was a close game at the time before the Jets humiliated Buf again.
    He scored the GW TD at Washington

    2 late GW TDs in a bad season isn't bad, right? that's probably 2 more than Stevie for his career.


    blah, blah, blah and Buf was an a dropped INT from losing to Oak, and 2 INT returns from possibly losing to NE/Philly. The Jets WON those games.

    The Jets have won their last 5 against Buf by an average score of 30-14
    The Jets have won 12 more reg season games the last 3 years and were still 2 games ahead of Buf in '11 despite having a "bad" year while Buf had a good year for them.


    I guess close only counts when Stevie drops game winning TD catches?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Yep he sucked so bad he ws still better than Ryan Fitzpatrick.

    Tebow is not taking 1/3 of the snaps. Don't be fooled by everything that you read. Rex said Tebow may get AS MANY as 20 snaps per game. he never said 20 as a QB, he's going to be the up man on punts, he's going to line up in the backfield behind Sanchez as a RB/FB. He'll run a few WC plays per game but not 1/3 of our plays.

    Tim Tebow will only be our starter if Sanchez gets hurt.

    Wayne Hunter started for us in an AFC Championship Game 2 years ago, he sucked in 2011 w/o a doubt but it's not like the man cannot play. This is the one hole that concerns me and I'm not comfortable w/ him being our starter but it could be worse.

    The WR we traded up for played in a run first offense, he hasn't had the chance to catch the ball a lot. He'll be a deep threat and a great blocker for us- much like Braylon was hopefully.

    Shonn Green averaged over 4 YPC w/ a bad OL in 2011. It's not like he's CJ Spiller and we used a top 10 pick on him.

    Our DL is going to be outstanding and we have good LBs. Our front 7 will be pretty good.

    Let's see if revis holds out, nothing has been indictaed either way. Eric Smith was hurt last year, he'll be healthy(to start the year) this year, much like Hunter he started for us in a conf title game just 2 years ago.


    Sanchez was excellent throwing downfield when he had Braylon, he didn't have a guy that could get downfield and he didn't have the time to throw it downfield.

    all of those bullet points are perceptions except the comp %.

    Mark has a fragile ego now? last year he responded to pre game boos by throwing 4 TDs. That doesn't seem fragile to me.

    his 38 yd TD sealed the Miami game
    he caught the GW TD against your Bills at the Meadowlands
    His TD at Orchard park seperated the two teams in what was a close game at the time before the Jets humiliated Buf again.
    He scored the GW TD at Washington

    2 late GW TDs in a bad season isn't bad, right? that's probably 2 more than Stevie for his career.


    blah, blah, blah and Buf was an a dropped INT from losing to Oak, and 2 INT returns from possibly losing to NE/Philly. The Jets WON those games.

    The Jets have won their last 5 against Buf by an average score of 30-14
    The Jets have won 12 more reg season games the last 3 years and were still 2 games ahead of Buf in '11 despite having a "bad" year while Buf had a good year for them.


    I guess close only counts when Stevie drops game winning TD catches?
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