while we're just talkin ball...another thing irks the heck out of me...these guys are in premium shape don't ever breathe hard etc shoot hoops 8 hrs a day and they can't shoot free throws consistently to save their damn lives...i could see if a guys winded and when you get tired you lose your legs and come up short on free throws but there's more brick masons at the free throw line in todays upper level game than i could ever remember...its crazy