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Thread: AFC East Biggest Questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBillsFan View Post
    If I were a Pats fan, my biggest concern would be keeping Brady upright, which seems tougher now when you look at the D's in the AFCE. The Pats found a way to get to the SB with the second worst D in terms of yardage. IMO, the concerns on D are secondary to keeping Brady's mascara from running.......
    I was actually responding to the intelligent Bills fan, you aren’t him.
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    I was actually responding to the intelligent Bills fan, you aren’t him.



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    Quote Originally Posted by grogan12 View Post
    I was actually responding to the intelligent Bills fan, you aren’t him.
    I'll just assume you have nothing to add and have been put in your place, since you've resorted to sophomoric drivel. Have fun in HS next year...........

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    The Giants absolutely win it all w/ Sanchez and they probably have more playoff wins and playoff apps if Sanchez is their QB, we probably don't even make a title game w/ Eli the last 2 years........
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBillsFan View Post
    I'll just assume you have nothing to add and have been put in your place, since you've resorted to sophomoric drivel. Have fun in HS next year...........
    "IMO, the concerns on D are secondary to keeping Brady's mascara from running......."

    Is that not your last quote? And you have the balls to talk about sophomoric drivel when prior to your stupidity, people were discussing real football in a civil way?? Grow up.
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    I started with this..........
    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBillsFan View Post
    The biggest question for NE is OL and health.
    The biggest question for NYJ is QB.
    The biggest question for BUF is QB.
    The biggest question for MIA is QB.

    Pretty sad, isn't it?
    You responded with this.........
    Quote Originally Posted by grogan12 View Post
    Not sure what you're talking about but OL is not even close to being a question mark for the Pats. Solder started games at both LT and RT as rookie last season and was an upgrade at both positions when he played. Light was a very good LT over the years but Solder is far and away a more talented a player. In fact even Marcus Cannon started a couple of games at RT and right Guard as rookie last year and held his own. Sorry but you don't really know what your talking about if you think the O Line is even in the top 5 question marks with the Pats. Now if you said CB I could agree with you but the Oline has a ton of both starting talent and depth.
    Now you could have worded your disagreement differently than "...you don't really know what you're talking about......" but I let it slide......


    I then responded with this.....
    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBillsFan View Post
    I was referring to the injuries you guys had last year on OL. That's why I said OL and​ health.......
    Then, you didn't even respond directly to me, but rather to Kinzua, and started firing off more childish banter with "....but to say O-line comes from someone that just doesn't understand the Patriots roster....."
    Obviously that was directed at me, and again, offered with snarky arrogance.
    Quote Originally Posted by grogan12 View Post
    That’s a fair assessment, yet he didn’t perform as sub mind you, he started multiple times and was flat out dominating in some of them. My point being that the original list of AFC East question marks was weak when evaluating what the Patriots concerns are going into the season. You could say pass rush, you could secondary, but to say O-line comes from someone that just doesn’t understand the Patriots roster.
    And after I made a derogatory comment about Brady, and not you, you again fired off this garbage.....
    Quote Originally Posted by grogan12 View Post
    I was actually responding to the intelligent Bills fan, you aren’t him.
    And now, you have the audacity to try and explain to me what is civil? FYI, these are just opinions, yours, mine, whoever. That's it. NOTHING about the 2012 season is fact in terms of team strengths/weaknesses. They are just opinions. When you feel like having a respectful dialogue where someone can have a differing opinion from yours without you resorting to childish name calling, let me know.
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    Saturday, July 28th


    New England Patriots:: http://www.boston.com/sports/footbal...hing_patience/
    Belichick preaches patience


    FOXBOROUGH — With the full team not in full pads for the first two days of training camp, and given it’s early in the process, Bill Belichick cautioned Friday it’s too early to make judgments on players.
    Speaking before the Patriots’ second training camp practice, Belichick was asked how tight end Rob Gronkowski looked after offseason surgery to repair torn tendons in his left ankle.
    “I think when you get to training camp, you try to keep from making minute-to-minute evaluations on anybody,” he said. “You look at a body of work and I would expect everybody after the first day to get a little bit more refined, get a little bit better timing, get a little bit better football playing — anticipation, execution, and all that. We’ll see how that goes after a few days.
    “I would say that about all of our players. Get out there, we got going [Thursday], hopefully things will be better today for everybody. Hopefully they’ll be better tomorrow than they were today. At some period of time after we’ve had an opportunity to get everybody acclimated and get everybody enough reps and opportunity to do something, then we’ll sit down and we’ll really take a closer look at the evaluation. We try not to evaluate play-to-play at this point in the season.”
    Belichick knows exactly how many practices the Patriots will have over the course of the season, and he divides each session with specific goals in mind. So the player who looked strong on one day when one thing was emphasized might struggle the next day with a different set of plays.
    “I don’t think we want to get into a ‘How did he do on this play? How did he do on that play?’ We’ll go a little while here, we’ll have a lot of plays, a lot of days strung together — we’ll be looking at a couple hundred plays instead of a handful on the first day,” Belichick said. “I think it’s a little too early to get too high or too low on somebody on the first day of practice.”
    But, to many, the time for real evaluation starts Saturday, when the team will be in full pads for the first time.

    Weems signed

    With depth on the offensive line an issue, the Patriots signed undrafted rookie tackle Darrion Weems.
    Weems, a 6-foot-5-inch, 302-pound Oregon product was signed by the Vikings in May, but was released July 24. He started 14 games at left tackle last fall for the Ducks, an offense that ranked third in the nation in scoring and sixth in total offense.
    With Logan Mankins (knee) and Sebastian Vollmer (back) on the physically unable to perform list and Brian Waters not yet in camp, the offensive line has been in a state of flux.
    There were changes again Friday, with Dan Connolly at left guard (he was at right guard Thursday) and Robert Gallery exclusively at right guard (he and Ryan Wendell took snaps at left guard Thursday). Nate Solder, Dan Koppen, and Marcus Cannon were at left tackle, center, and right tackle, respectively.

    Happy return

    James Ihedigbo waited for the Patriots to call him about a return engagement, and once he got the call, after June minicamp, he was happy to rejoin the team.
    “It’s all part of the business,” said the Massachusetts native and former UMass standout. “I’m glad to be back here, I’m glad to be back with the team. I’m glad to really get back to work so we can get this thing going.”
    After offseason shoulder surgery — he suffered numerous stingers last season and was in pain but never missed a game — Ihedigbo is wearing a red non-contact jersey.
    On Thursday, he tackled running back Stevan Ridley, sending both to the grass, which Ihedigbo said was accidental, saying the players were trying to hold each other up.
    The Patriots signed safety Steve Gregory in free agency and drafted Tavon Wilson in the second round, but there still might be room for Ihedigbo, who was noted for his smarts last season.

    Record attendance

    The Patriots’ training camp attendance record didn’t last long: After 12,163 fans packed the fields behind Gillette on the first day, the team announced that 13,654 were on hand Friday, despite the threat of rain early in the day . . . Tom Brady Sr., who seems to make an annual trip east during training camp, was on hand Friday.
    New York Jets: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...icle-1.1123937
    Aaron Maybin and NY Jets defense dominate second training camp practice

    CORTLAND – A day after Mark Sanchez & Co. looked sharp in their first practice, things got a little sloppy amid a driving rainstorm on Saturday. There were plenty of dropped passes in the wet conditions in the Jets' first practice open to the public. Neither Sanchez nor Tim Tebow played particularly well in front of a few thousand fans. Before Tebow jogged off the field shirtless in a downpour, he completed just 3 of 8 passes and was sacked once in 13 snaps during 11-on-11 team drills.
    Sanchez was more efficient (6 for 8, sacked once in 17 snaps), but neither signal caller looked crisp. Aaron Maybin led a stingy defense with a pair of sacks. The Jets played a good amount with four down linemen, a scheme that they are expected to use more with their young and athletic front.
    Safety LaRon Landry participated in some 11-on-11 drills and made a nice diving pass deflection in 7-on-7s in his first practice. Things became chippy with Landry and tight end Josh Baker at one point before they were quickly separated by teammates.
    Matt Slauson and Vlad Ducasse continued to rotate snaps at left tackle.
    Miami Dolphins: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/m...,4043314.story
    Two Dolphins' starters sidelined by injuries on second day of training camp

    DAVIE—
    The Miami Dolphins had not even gotten through two practices before the team lost two projected starters to injuries.
    Brian Hartline, who missed most of the offseason program because of a lingering calf injury on his left leg, and an emergency appendectomy, sat out the majority of Saturday's session.
    Hartline was replaced by Chad Johnson, who made a few impressive catches, as the starting receiver paired with Legedu Naanee.
    Chris Clemons, who spent all offseason as the starting safety paired with Reshad Jones, suffered an injury to his lower right leg during Friday's session and was also sidelined.
    Jimmy Wilson, a second-year player who is making a position switch from cornerback to safety, replaced Clemons. Tyrone Culver also worked with the first team.
    Last year a lingering hamstring injury contributed to Clemons losing the starting free safety spot to Jones.
    Hartline admitted that his medical issues have been a "pain in the [butt]" but wouldn't address his latest setback outside of acknowledging he's presently not at full speed.

    Camp observations

    ~The Dolphins tight ends are thriving in the west coast offense, consistently catching 20-plus yard passes in the middle of the field. Miami's linebackers need to do a better job of covering that position. ... OG Artis Hicks worked as the starting right guard for the second consecutive day, it seems he's clearly ahead of John Jerry in that position battle. ... Eric Steinbach, the newly signed veteran guard, continued to work at left guard, the spot he admits he's most comfortable at. ... QB David Garrard completed a pass for about 30 yards down the right sideline to Johnson, who grabbed the ball while tip-toeing to stay in bounds. ... WR Julius Pruitt reached up and made a great grab in traffic for about a 30-yard completion. ... RB Daniel Thomas, who is pushing to become the team's third-down back, dropped an easy pass.

    Who's up?

    ~Rookie DE Olivier Vernon, a former UM standout whom the Dolphins selected in the third-round, and Derrick Shelby, an undrafted DE from Utah, were effective bringing pressure from the edges. Vernon sacked Matt Moore twice. The team will get a better feel for their pressure skills on Monday, which will be the team's first day in pads.

    Who's down?

    ~Moore has a long standing reputation as a mediocre practice player and Saturday's performance didn't help him ditch that. The session didn't feature any interceptions, but Moore typically makes five bad throws a day. If Garrard continues to outperform Moore this quarterback competition won't last long.

    Kickoff Luncheon

    ~The Dolphins and the Miami Chamber of Commerce are set to host a kickoff luncheon on August 28 (11:30 a.m.) at Jungle Island. Dolphins players, alumni and coaches will attend. For ticket information visit http://www.miamichamber.com.

    Quote of the day

    ~"What does your gut tell you? Can the guy play? Do you want to coach the guy? Do you want him on your team, trust him, believe in him? At the end of the day that's what you want to know." — Dolphins coach Joe Philbin to his coaching staff regarding their player evaluations.
    Buffalo Bills: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-c...n-offense.html
    Day Three: Defense keeps wraps on offense

    PITTSFORD -- The Buffalo Bills' defensive line asserted its presence during 11-on-11 work in the first padded practice of training camp Saturday at St. John Fisher College.
    “I thought the defense dominated the practice,” coach Chan Gailey said. “We got a lot of work to do on offense to meet their level of play right now. So it’s a little bit different than it has been, and it’s good for our football team.”
    Defensive end Mario Williams pressured quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick to force an incompletion on the first play of 11-on-11 work from the middle of the field. Receiver Derek Hagan dropped a Fitzpatrick pass on the second play. Then WIlliams got by right tackle Sam Young, filling in for injured Erik Pears, to force an incompletion on the third play. Fitzpatrick rolled out but found no one open on the fourth play. C.J. Spiller got a decent gain on the fifth play. On the sixth play, defensive end Kyle Moore got by Young and Fitzpatrick into a scramble.
    Both Rian Lindell and John Potter drilled 49-yard field goals during special teams work.
    Then it was back to more mostly good defense. Fitzpatrick hit Donald Jones on an out route, but cornerback Aaron Williams read the play and let an interception go through his hands and into the receiver's. Then Fitz had to scramble again.
    Tyler Thigpen was the No. 2 QB Saturday. Rookie cornerback Ron Brooks picked off a Thigpen pass down the right sideline intended for David Clowney. Brooks had it covered all the way and made a leaping catch. On the next play, Thigpen was pressured and forced a throw over the middle that was picked off by safety Nick Saenz.
    Back came the starters. Fitzpatrick had to fall on a bad snap. Kyle Williams burst up the midde for a would-be sack. Nickel linebacker Bryan Scott smartly read a draw play and smothered it. Rookie cornerback Stephon Gilmore blanketed Spiller on a deep route and batted the pass away.
    Quarterback Vince Young, working with the third team, had a really good scramble up the middle on one play. Wildcat QB Brad Smith beat the blitz with a nice deep pass to receiver Kamar Aiken.
    Fitzpatrick did look pretty good in 1-on-1 and 7-on-7 passing drills. He continues to show promise on deep throws. He hit Donald Jones on a perfect deep strike down the left sideline vs. Aaron Williams. He had good downfield strikes to Stevie Johnson (twice), David Nelson and Scott Chandler. ... Safety Da'Norris Searcy did well in 1-on-1 work vs. tight ends and backs. ... In 1-on-1 pass rush work, Mario Williams again was a force. Andy Levitre had good snaps vs. Kyle Williams. ... Chad Rinehart held his own vs. Marcell Dareus. ... Defensive end Mark Anderson worked well with Marcell Dareus. ... Mario Williams and Dareus combined for a sack in 2-on-2 work. ... Rookie tackle Cordy Glenn false started two stright plays but then rebounded and shut down Chris Kelsay two straight snaps.

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    New England really starting to have OL issues.......

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...llery-retires/

    Robert Gallery retires

    Posted by Michael David Smith on August 4, 2012, 6:00 PM EDT
    AP
    Robert Gallery, who entered the NFL hyped as the league’s next great left tackle but never became much more than a pretty good guard, has decided to call it a career after eight seasons.
    The Patriots, who signed Gallery in March, announced his retirement today.
    Coming out of Iowa in the 2004 NFL draft, Gallery was viewed as a sure thing. He had won the Outland Trophy as college football’s best lineman and was widely regarded as a can’t-miss prospect and a franchise left tackle who could be penciled in for several Pro Bowls over the course of his career. But it never worked out that way. Gallery often struggled with faster pass rushers, and after three years the Raiders decided he was a liability protecting the quarterback’s blind side and moved him to guard.

    At his new position he carved out a solid second act to his career, but he struggled to stay healthy and eventually parted ways with the Raiders after the 2010 season. He played 2011 with the Seahawks and, after signing this year with the Patriots, said he thought New England was the right place for him to finish a career that he admitted had been less than ideal. As it turned out, he finished up his career earlier than expected. Robert Gallery is done in the NFL.
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    Struggling offensive line hinders efforts of Tom Brady and first team offense

    We kind of figured this might happen. A patchwork offensive line hasn’t looked good during training camp. It didn’t look good in the opening two series, with quarterback Tom Brady essentially running for his life.
    No, not what you’re looking for. During the first series, which was extended thanks to a Saints offsides penalty during a punt, Will Smith broke past right tackle Marcus Cannon, chased Brady and eventually caught him for a sack and forced fumble.
    It also didn’t get much better in the second series. After starting out with a string of runs by Stevan Ridley, Brady reared back and hit Brandon Lloyd over the middle with a 17-yard bullet, only that was nullified by a Nate Solderholding penalty. It was the left tackle’s second hold of the night.Not a good start for the line, or the offense in the first quarter.

    Brady did hit two of his favorite targets, Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, but again, every good play, seemed to be nullified by problems on the line in the early going. In all, Brady went 4-for-7 for 30 yards with one lost fumble in two series.
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    Pats definitely have issues at OL. It has gotten better with the return of Mankins, but if they go into the season with Solder & Cannon at tackle, Brady better get the ball away in under 2 seconds, never mind 3.

    I've got my fingers crossed that Waters shows up next week and that Vollmer makes a miraculous recovery.
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