Welcome to FinHeaven Fans Forums! We're glad to have you here. Please feel free to browse the forum. We'd like to invite you to join our community; doing so will enable you to view additional forums and post with our other members.



VIP Members don't see these ads. Join VIP Now
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 39

Thread: Banks Says Bills More Likely to Oust Pats than the Jets!

  1. -11
    Tunaphish429's Avatar
    1st Ballot Hall of Famer

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Aug 2009
    Posts:
    8,635
    vCash:
    1649
    Loc:
    CUSE
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    Don Banks: Hunches

    It seems that Bills fans aren't the only ones who think the team might be making a serious run at the playoffs in 2012.

    Lmao...when I read the title, Banks have Bills ahead of Jets? Are they setting odds now?
    Quote Quote  

  2. -12
    j-off-her-doll's Avatar
    Hall Of Famer

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Apr 2009
    Posts:
    7,702
    vCash:
    5922
    Loc:
    Dream Songs
    Thanks / No Thanks
    I know he's just a sports writer, but Jesus Christ! He could at least make his headlines grammatical.

    What he meant to say:

    The Bills have a better chance than the Jets at knocking off the Pats.

    What he said:

    The Bills have a better chance at knocking off the Jets than they do the Pats.

    FML. Who pays these *******s?
    Quote Quote  

  3. -13
    PhinzN703's Avatar
    I like your style Dude

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Oct 2004
    Posts:
    25,999
    vCash:
    17305
    Loc:
    Springfield, VA
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Tannehill 171972 Dolphins Logo2013 Dolphins Logo
    Who knew Mario Williams was good enough to propel the Bills to the playoffs and possibly even into New England territory
    Quote Quote  

  4. -14
    nyjunc's Avatar
    Hall Of Famer

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Mar 2004
    Posts:
    27,482
    vCash:
    17006
    Loc:
    New York
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Blog Entries:
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by PhinzN703 View Post
    Who knew Mario Williams was good enough to propel the Bills to the playoffs and possibly even into New England territory
    Not Houston who finally made the playoffs after he got hurt and couldn't play.
    Quote Quote  

  5. -15
    Kinzua's Avatar
    Pro Bowler

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Aug 2004
    Posts:
    1,299
    vCash:
    1127
    Loc:
    Jamestown, NY
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    There goes the season, Ryan Fitzpatrick who has never playe din, let alone won, a big game will lead the Bills to the AFC East title and they will finish ahead of a better coached and more talented Jets team b/c they signed a big named player who isn't a great player. Congrats Bills!
    You might try reading the entire article. Banks had some very valid criticisms of the Jets that you refuse to acknowledge might be problems. He also pointed out that the Bills took other steps to improve beside signing Mario Williams.

    As for Ryan being a "better coach" than Chan Gailey, that's debatable. He's had a better record with the Jets primarily because he inherited a better team than Gailey did, and don't even try to deny that. He didn't do so well last season when he didn't have as much talent on his team as in years past.

    You can make all the excuses about why Ryan was clueless about the locker room rift that developed last season, but it's the HC job to know what's going on with his team, all parts of it not just the defense or the offense, and to deal with the problem. OTOH, Chan Gailey moved pre-emptively in 2010 to quash any kind of QB controversy/locker room split when he named Fitzpatrick the starter over Edwards: Edwards was released.

    I'm not sure that hiring Tony Sparano as OC = "better" coaching, either, as Sparano has never been an OC. Calling plays for a few games in one stretch of a season does NOT an offensive coordinator make. There's a lot more to the job, and the fact that the Jets were talking about bringing in Todd Haley at one point to be a "co-coordinator" for the passing game raises questions about Sparano's qualifications and ability. Well, good thing that idea fell through, as it appears the Jets are considering abandoning the modern NFL game to run some kind of platoon system with buttfumble and Tebow -- at least according to Rex Ryan.

    The Bills, in contrast, replaced their DC with Dave Wannstadt, who brings a wealth of experience as a sucessful defensive coordinator to the team. The Bills also added the innovative and well-respected QB coach David Lee, who introduced the latest version of the wildcat into the NFL in 2008 in Miami, and who helped Matt Moore improve last season.

    As for the Jets being more "talented" than the Bills in 2012, that's also debatable. The 2009-2010 Jets had a dominant defense, offense line, and running game that carried them into and through the playoffs. That dominance was eroded in 2011. The defense was still good but not dominant. The OL play was mediocre, partly because the quality of the personnel declined as Pro Bowl caliber linemen left and were replaced with journeymen or backups. OL depth was nonexistent because of injury and the failure of younger players to step up. Finally the Jets 2011 running game stunk it up. They were 29th in YPC. Shonn Greene was uninspiring as the supposed featured RB. What, exactly, has changed for the better, talent-wise, on the Jets for 2012 in these key areas with the exception of adding Coples through the draft?

    The Bills have significantly raised the talent level on their team every year since Buddy Nix took over in 2010. They have had a plan and have gone about it in a very business-like way. The Bills prefer younger FAs, even street FAs, rather than older, big name vets past their prime, so a lot of the Bills aren't well known. Yes, the Bills made a big splash in FA by signing Mario Williams and then Mark Anderson -- actually their first big FA signings in three years -- but it's putting Super Mario on the same DL with Kyle Williams, Marcell Dareus, and Mark Anderson that gets Bills fans and other observers excited; that's a formidable DL.

    On the other side of the ball, the Bills have one of the best 1-2 RB combos in the NFL. If their young OTs (Hairston, Glenn, Sanders) can come through, they may be able to run successfully out of pro sets rather than just out spread formations, meaning that they would certainly be able to "ground and pound" better than the Jets if they chose to do so. Oh, yeah, and they recently signed Vince Young to compete for the backup QB and/or wildcat QB position.

    Match up the Jets and Bills, and the talent levels are fairly even, although, admittedly, the Jets do have more guys with bigger names and bigger contracts.
    If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. -- John F. Kennedy, January 20, 1961
    Quote Quote  

  6. -16
    PhinzN703's Avatar
    I like your style Dude

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Oct 2004
    Posts:
    25,999
    vCash:
    17305
    Loc:
    Springfield, VA
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Tannehill 171972 Dolphins Logo2013 Dolphins Logo
    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Not Houston who finally made the playoffs after he got hurt and couldn't play.
    I do find it strange that Buffalo is a sudden playoff contending team after years of doing nothing but at this point it's pretty irrelevant. If they go out and get a playoff spot fine. Kudos to them. Right now this is just nothing more than the media picking a team they think will make the jump. Happens every year.
    Quote Quote  

  7. -17
    nyjunc's Avatar
    Hall Of Famer

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Mar 2004
    Posts:
    27,482
    vCash:
    17006
    Loc:
    New York
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Blog Entries:
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    You might try reading the entire article. Banks had some very valid criticisms of the Jets that you refuse to acknowledge might be problems. He also pointed out that the Bills took other steps to improve beside signing Mario Williams.

    As for Ryan being a "better coach" than Chan Gailey, that's debatable. He's had a better record with the Jets primarily because he inherited a better team than Gailey did, and don't even try to deny that. He didn't do so well last season when he didn't have as much talent on his team as in years past.

    You can make all the excuses about why Ryan was clueless about the locker room rift that developed last season, but it's the HC job to know what's going on with his team, all parts of it not just the defense or the offense, and to deal with the problem. OTOH, Chan Gailey moved pre-emptively in 2010 to quash any kind of QB controversy/locker room split when he named Fitzpatrick the starter over Edwards: Edwards was released.

    I'm not sure that hiring Tony Sparano as OC = "better" coaching, either, as Sparano has never been an OC. Calling plays for a few games in one stretch of a season does NOT an offensive coordinator make. There's a lot more to the job, and the fact that the Jets were talking about bringing in Todd Haley at one point to be a "co-coordinator" for the passing game raises questions about Sparano's qualifications and ability. Well, good thing that idea fell through, as it appears the Jets are considering abandoning the modern NFL game to run some kind of platoon system with buttfumble and Tebow -- at least according to Rex Ryan.

    The Bills, in contrast, replaced their DC with Dave Wannstadt, who brings a wealth of experience as a sucessful defensive coordinator to the team. The Bills also added the innovative and well-respected QB coach David Lee, who introduced the latest version of the wildcat into the NFL in 2008 in Miami, and who helped Matt Moore improve last season.

    As for the Jets being more "talented" than the Bills in 2012, that's also debatable. The 2009-2010 Jets had a dominant defense, offense line, and running game that carried them into and through the playoffs. That dominance was eroded in 2011. The defense was still good but not dominant. The OL play was mediocre, partly because the quality of the personnel declined as Pro Bowl caliber linemen left and were replaced with journeymen or backups. OL depth was nonexistent because of injury and the failure of younger players to step up. Finally the Jets 2011 running game stunk it up. They were 29th in YPC. Shonn Greene was uninspiring as the supposed featured RB. What, exactly, has changed for the better, talent-wise, on the Jets for 2012 in these key areas with the exception of adding Coples through the draft?

    The Bills have significantly raised the talent level on their team every year since Buddy Nix took over in 2010. They have had a plan and have gone about it in a very business-like way. The Bills prefer younger FAs, even street FAs, rather than older, big name vets past their prime, so a lot of the Bills aren't well known. Yes, the Bills made a big splash in FA by signing Mario Williams and then Mark Anderson -- actually their first big FA signings in three years -- but it's putting Super Mario on the same DL with Kyle Williams, Marcell Dareus, and Mark Anderson that gets Bills fans and other observers excited; that's a formidable DL.

    On the other side of the ball, the Bills have one of the best 1-2 RB combos in the NFL. If their young OTs (Hairston, Glenn, Sanders) can come through, they may be able to run successfully out of pro sets rather than just out spread formations, meaning that they would certainly be able to "ground and pound" better than the Jets if they chose to do so. Oh, yeah, and they recently signed Vince Young to compete for the backup QB and/or wildcat QB position.

    Match up the Jets and Bills, and the talent levels are fairly even, although, admittedly, the Jets do have more guys with bigger names and bigger contracts.
    He wrote 2 paragrpahs, his thing was about LR chemistry agin which is completely overblown b/c they faded late.

    How is Ryan vs. Gailey debateable? Gailey ZERO playoff wins, Ryan 4 in less years as a HC. head to head? 4 to ZERO for Rex's team.

    Rex inherited a 9 win team that wasn't nearly as good as a real 9 win team, we all faced creampuff scheds in 2008 to fatten our records. Rex then led a team w/ a rookie QB to the conf title game, in year 2 he led a 2nd year QB(who you guys think sucks) to a conf title game.

    Gailey inherited a 6 win team from 2009 and won 4 and 6 his first 2 seasons. Gailey as Dallas HC lost a playoff game at home to the jake Plummer led Cardinals who hadn't won a playoff game since 1947 and a team Dallas swept in the reg season that would get humiliated just a week later at Minnesota.

    When I say better coached I'm mostly talking about Rex vs. gailey which is no contest. gailey is a good assistant but he lacks something as a HC.

    Wannstedt is a good DC
    What has David lee ever done? outside of the WC in 2008

    How did David lee help Matt Moore last year when he wasn't coaching in Miami?

    as far as talent?

    QBs: edge Jets
    RBs: edge Bills
    TE: edge Jets
    OL: edge Jets
    WRs: even
    DL: edge Bills
    LBs: edge Jets
    DBs: edge Jets
    K/P: edge Bug
    STs returns/coverage: edge Jets
    winning experience: edge Jets
    Quote Quote  

  8. -18
    Kinzua's Avatar
    Pro Bowler

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Aug 2004
    Posts:
    1,299
    vCash:
    1127
    Loc:
    Jamestown, NY
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Homerism, like love, is obviously blind. I doubt there's a worse QB duo in the NFL than buttfumble-Tebow. buttfumble is a mediocre starter at best, and Tebow can't even give a reasonable imitation of an NFL passer.
    Quote Quote  

  9. -19
    nyjunc's Avatar
    Hall Of Famer

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Mar 2004
    Posts:
    27,482
    vCash:
    17006
    Loc:
    New York
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Blog Entries:
    1
    Quote Originally Posted by Kinzua View Post
    Homerism, like love, is obviously blind. I doubt there's a worse QB duo in the NFL than buttfumble-Tebow. buttfumble is a mediocre starter at best, and Tebow can't even give a reasonable imitation of an NFL passer.
    That mediocre starter is better than your starter. As "bad" as buttfumble was last year he threw more TDs, less INTs, led his O to more pts and led his team to more wins than the great Fitz. You may want to look in the mirror when discussing homerism. Our backup has more playoff wins as a starter than the Bills organization since 1996.
    Quote Quote  

  10. -20
    LouPhinFan's Avatar
    Perennial All-Pro

    Status:
    Offline
    WPA:
    Join date:
    Sep 2006
    Posts:
    4,634
    vCash:
    5037
    Loc:
    Louisville, KY
    Thanks / No Thanks
    Isn't debating San-Bow vs Fitzpatrick kinda like debating which chick has the uglier face? It doesn't really matter because both of them are staying home alone on Saturday nights.
    Insert pithy saying here.

    Quote Quote  

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 59
    Last Post: 06-26-2013, 09:42 PM
  2. Who would you rather go 2-0 against the Jets, Pats, or Bills?
    By foozool13 in forum Miami Dolphins Forum
    Replies: 82
    Last Post: 06-14-2009, 04:59 PM
  3. With The jets, pats and the bills all winning
    By MR NFLFAN in forum Beasts of the AFC East
    Replies: 25
    Last Post: 12-09-2006, 01:15 PM
  4. Does anyone feel bad for the jets, bills, pats.
    By finfan32 in forum Miami Dolphins Forum
    Replies: 41
    Last Post: 09-29-2005, 02:44 PM
  5. to all you pats,bills, and jets fans
    By ltfinfan in forum The Depths of the Sea
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 12-23-2004, 04:24 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •