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Thread: Preseason 2013 Pass Rusher Watch List

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    He already is.

    I've taken some closer looks at Damontre Moore and Devin Taylor. They're ok. Nothing special. We'll see how they improve.
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    You background check all the guy's you scout?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    You background check all the guy's you scout?
    Not at this stage of the game. Right now I'm much more interested in which guys can play football and which guys can't. Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    He already is.

    I've taken some closer looks at Damontre Moore and Devin Taylor. They're ok. Nothing special. We'll see how they improve.
    I'd Agree with Taylor being nothing special but Moore has cam wake like get off and still from what I've seen against the run (which is relatively limited) decent ability to hold the point of attack.


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    I just don't see that Cameron Wake type ability that you do. We'll see.

    Might be inclined to bump William Gholston behind Cory Lemonier for the moment. The potential is there but until he goes out and makes good on it, he's right in the same area as Sam Montgomery.
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    Finding out some more about Bjoern Werner's background. Some of this is pretty crazy.

    He fell in love with the sport when he was playing flag football and then tackle football at the Club Sports level in Germany (Berlin Adler, German word for Eagles). At flag football, he played wide receiver and safety. In the club sports he played a little linebacker until his coach decided he needed to move to defensive end because that's where he had the most potential to wreck the offense. At about 15 years old, Bjoern was wrecking 18+ year old guys, and his coach recognized that he had uncommon ability. The coach (German) had never done this before, but he recommended to Bjoern that he go to America immediately and try and go through a prep school and into the college ranks. Bjoern thinks very fondly of that coach and thinks of him as much a friend as a coach, credits him for the wisdom of moving him to defensive end but also for thinking more for Bjoern's sake than his own as Werner naturally would think that a coach in that position would want to keep hold of a guy that talented rather than send him off.

    This is where it gets interesting. His coach may have planted the idea in Bjoern's head, for which he's grateful, but he didn't really do much aside from that. Bjoern sees an advertisement on the Berlin Thunder NFL Europe's website for the USA Football International Student program. The program takes kids from all over the world and places them in various prep schools in the New England area, pays a little portion of the tuition and then it's up to the school to figure out how to collect the rest of the tuition. Bjoern applied to the program and was accepted.

    This is a 16 year old kid and he's doing all this pretty much on his own. He approached his family about it after he'd taken care of most of it and they were only worried about the money angle, because they didn't have the money to pay for any of this. Normally an exchange student program costs you thousand and thousands of dollars, but he explained it's not like that...he wants to come over and stay permanently and play football. He told them not to worry about the money, he's 16 years old and he's old enough to take care of all of this, and his mom said OK but we really can't pay.

    He began emailing Coach Chris Adams at the Connecticut prep school where he would eventually end up, expressed his desire to play there. He sent over a highlight tape of himself playing at the Club Sports level. The coach got the school to offer him sports financial aid, and the only thing Bjoern and his family had to pay for were the flights over from Germany.

    He went back and forth from Connecticut to Germany during the long breaks they had at his prep school, as he had a girlfriend back in Germany that he met when he was 16 years old about 6 months before he left for Connecticut. Eventually, his senior year of High School when he was about 19 years old, they decided to get married. He said teammates don't tease him about being married but they do ask a lot of questions about it, why he got married so young, etc. His wife thinks he's a super star because of the attention college football players get by the media. As of an interview just prior to the 2011 season, he had not been back to Germany since he came to FSU. He hears that his little brother has sprouted up to 6'6" now (soccer player), but he can't even picture his own family, he only hears them over the phone.

    German stereotypes that annoy him? No, he does not love David Hasselhoff. He doesn't eat sausages, he's from Berlin and that's all in the South, he says. His friends tell him, oh man you probably drink a lot (drinking age lower in Germany). He says no, I don't drink at all.

    Unusually mature at an early age, married, doesn't drink, physical phenom, no sense of entitlement. Gonna make a hell of an NFL player one day.
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    Accounting for more players as I go, making some adjustments here and there, etc...

    01. DE Bjoern Werner, Florida State - Burst off ball. J.J. Watt. Ball tracking. Unusual number pass deflections. Maturity. Background. Hands. Always in control. Edge rush w/ compression. Flexibility. Strength. Demeanor. Great size. Aware. Premium caliber.

    02. DE/OLB James Gayle, Virginia Tech - Burst off ball. Jabaal Sheard. Jason Taylor. Down stance. Up stance, rare. Control. Hands. Edge rush w/ compression. Counters. Inside move while acclerating w/ no contact. Balance. Strength.

    03. OLB Barkevious Mingo, LSU - Lacks strength, but not weak. Foot churn. Cat quick. Acceleration. High potential. Joystick control and balance. Jack rabbit retrace. Quickest off snap. Linebacker build. Not small.

    04. DE/OLB Dion Jordan, Oregon - Tall. Hands. Punch, shock, shiver. Strong side linebacker. Hits tight ends. Hits backs. Quick off snap. Length. Outside rush. Counters. Decent control. Speed. Acceleration. Tight end background. Aware.

    05. DE Malliciah Goodman, Clemson - Thick. Size. Arm length. Strength. Israel Idonije. Hands. Pad level. Deflections. Powerful. Burst. Edge rush w/ compression. Flexible. Foot churn. Inconsistent off snap. Inconsistent shed vs run. Keeps blockers off body. Punch. Aware. Control.

    06. OLB Jarvis Jones, Georgia - Hands. Counters. Pass rush. Punch. Up player. Violent. Fluid hand-foot coordination. Not great off snap. Not great edge rush yet. Small.

    07. DE/OLB Alex Okafor, Texas - Length. Savvy. Play maker. Edge rush. Versatility. Control. Not the quickest. Not the fastest. Clock not running at elite level. Sometimes hitch between 1st/2nd steps. Flat back.

    08. DE Cory Lemonier, Auburn - Build. Speed. Burst off snap. Edge rush needs improvement. Paddle steps. Keeps blockers off body. Length. Sheds. Strength. Thin.

    09. DE Sam Montgomery, LSU - Bad off snap. Gathers. Good burst after gather. Strength. Power. Size. Length. Bad balance. Doesn't bend the outside.

    10. DE William Gholston, Michigan State - Bad hand discipline. Not in control. Size. Length. Needs more strength. Vicious. Motor.

    11. DE John Simon, Ohio State - Bad off snap. Ridiculous motor. Energy. Wide. Long arms. Phenomenal strength. Control. Run defense. Shadow. Aware. Overgrown linebacker. Can beat tackles outside with athleticism. Lacks bend. Nasty.

    12. DT/DE Margus Hunt, SMU - Stiff middle. Ridiculous size/speed. Explosive. Motor. Lacks edge rush. Lacks instincts for ground game. Doesn't shed enough. Blocks tons of kicks.

    13. OLB Brandon Jenkins, Florida State - Take-off. 2nd/3rd step guy. Some edge rush. Not strong. Not flexible. Hustle plays. Inconsistent motor when unblocked. Overrated speed. Inconsistent hands. Consistent effort when blocked. Spin move.

    14. DE Demontre Moore, Texas A&M -

    15. DE/OLB Jackson Jeffcoat, Texas - Motor. Burst off snap. Solid build. Bad technique. Bad hands. Easily blocked. Unearned stats. Overrated strength. Not aware. Does not shed, or get off blocks. Does not keep feet moving. Highly athletic long speed, will test well.

    16. DE Wes Horton, Southern Cal - Build. Bad off snap. Pad level. Doesn't shed. Gets blocked. Strong. Not aware. Not fast.

    17. DE Devin Taylor, South Carolina -

    18. DE Michael Buchanon, Illinois - Build. Athletic. Motor. Soft. Weak. Unearned stats. Not explosive enough. Not fast enough. Not flexible enough.

    19. DE Craig Roh, Michigan - Not fast. Lacks burst. Motor. Strength. Size. Bad change of direction.

    Note: Texas A&M Sean Porter excluded only because I evaluate him as a 4-3 Will backer, not really same position as the above. Most other exclusions are due to lack of evaluation.
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    I think Datone Jones will round out my top 20 for now. Probably stick him at the #18 spot and bump Michael Buchanon and Craig Roh down a spot. Datone Jones great body, size, bubble, but doesn't use his hands well, plays off balance. The thing he has is a burst off the snap (when he uses it properly) that is one of the best in the class. I didn't check the UCLA-Stanford game to make sure, but I also seem to recall Coby Fleener dominating him as a blocker, and Fleener does not exactly have a reputation as a great blocker, so that's not good.
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