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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    Jimmy's accomplishments elsewhere other than Miami is what barely gets him into the college Hall of Fame. His experience as a head coach in college doesn't even meet the minimum requirement of 10 years.
    5 seasons Oklahoma State -- 1979 thru 1983

    5 seasons Miami -- 1984 thru 1988

    The Canes were a sporadically talented but vulnerable team when Johnson took over. That's why they were 12 point home underdogs in Schnellenberger's final game, and 7 point underdogs on a neutral site to Auburn in Johnson's first game as coach. There was absolutely no guarantee the program would continue on the same path, and not be a one-and-done. As much as I like Schnellenberger, why are we supposed to ignore the -- in retrospect -- incomparably inept handicapping he displayed by bolting the Canes program in the mid '80s? I always have to laugh when he bemoans how many titles he might have won if he'd remained. That's like my buddies in Las Vegas who have all the winners on the 7 PM games at 11 PM. Johnson wisely accepted the Miami job after Sam Jankovich was even more astute in pursuing Johnson, who was hardly a household name or hot commodity. That chain of genius equates to Hall of Fame. Schnellenberger can accept the ever popular might-have-been praise, the Spectacular Bid Award.

    Besides, Jimmy Johnson inherited great quarterbacks like Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde from Schnellenberger, but he also found Steve Walsh, and left the likes of Craig Erickson and Gino Torretta for Erickson. Once Erickson had to rely on his own quarterback recruiting it was disasters like Frank Costa, Ryan Collins, Alan Hall and Chris Walsh.

    The Miami program was a fortified dynasty when Erickson was summoned from Washington State. Johnson had built a talent base throughout the roster and the defense, in particular, was dominant, far more dependable than Schnellenberger's version. During Johnson's final three seasons and spilling over into Erickson's reign it was almost unheard of for the Canes to be an underdog. When Erickson left the program it was leaking all over the place, with three consecutive bowl defeats including two embarrassing routs and a loss in the Orange Bowl, blowing a 4th quarter lead. The Pell Grant scandal was under Erickson's watch.

    The guy I wish had stayed in Coral Gables was Johnson, not Schnellenberger or Erickson. Spin doesn't work with me. I have dozens of those games on tape. Johnson's multiple offense suffered when he had an error prone dunce like Testaverde at quarterback against smart defenses, throwing away a national title against Penn State when all he had to do was hand off to Alonso Highsmith. Once Erickson's vulnerable one-back was installed, there was nonsense like tiny Leonard Conley asked to dive toward the goal line in vital situations with three receivers standing out there, accomplishing absolutely nothing. Conley was abused in those spots during key road games at Florida State in 1989 and Notre Dame in 1990. It was beyond ridiculous that the 1990 team was out of title contention during bowl season, with two losses despite preseason #1 ranking and 14 point favoritism in the opener at BYU.

    Besides, it was simply more fun as a fan under Johnson, including the wonderful, "Run it up, Jimmy...Run it up," chant, during his final game as Canes coach, the Orange Bowl win over Nebraska after the 1988 season. With Erickson you mostly looked for him in local bars.
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    There wasnt going to be a good way to remove Shula that would make fans happy. But it was necessary for Shula to go, There were two key draft failures that could of solved the JJ and Marino tension and that was Yatil Green being healthy and Cecil Collins staying out of trouble. With the D-Fense that JJ built, Collins and Green would of worked wonders with Marino and I think we would of been Super Bowl contenders. Congrats JJ
    That's the way i remember it too. The year we got Cecil Collins plus J. Johnson everyone was picking us for the superbowl even sports illustrated i believe. We had a topped ranked defense and Marino at QB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger View Post
    5 seasons Oklahoma State -- 1979 thru 1983

    5 seasons Miami -- 1984 thru 1988

    The Canes were a sporadically talented but vulnerable team when Johnson took over. That's why they were 12 point home underdogs in Schnellenberger's final game, and 7 point underdogs on a neutral site to Auburn in Johnson's first game as coach. There was absolutely no guarantee the program would continue on the same path, and not be a one-and-done. As much as I like Schnellenberger, why are we supposed to ignore the -- in retrospect -- incomparably inept handicapping he displayed by bolting the Canes program in the mid '80s? I always have to laugh when he bemoans how many titles he might have won if he'd remained. That's like my buddies in Las Vegas who have all the winners on the 7 PM games at 11 PM. Johnson wisely accepted the Miami job after Sam Jankovich was even more astute in pursuing Johnson, who was hardly a household name or hot commodity. That chain of genius equates to Hall of Fame. Schnellenberger can accept the ever popular might-have-been praise, the Spectacular Bid Award.

    Besides, Jimmy Johnson inherited great quarterbacks like Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde from Schnellenberger, but he also found Steve Walsh, and left the likes of Craig Erickson and Gino Torretta for Erickson. Once Erickson had to rely on his own quarterback recruiting it was disasters like Frank Costa, Ryan Collins, Alan Hall and Chris Walsh.

    The Miami program was a fortified dynasty when Erickson was summoned from Washington State. Johnson had built a talent base throughout the roster and the defense, in particular, was dominant, far more dependable than Schnellenberger's version. During Johnson's final three seasons and spilling over into Erickson's reign it was almost unheard of for the Canes to be an underdog. When Erickson left the program it was leaking all over the place, with three consecutive bowl defeats including two embarrassing routs and a loss in the Orange Bowl, blowing a 4th quarter lead. The Pell Grant scandal was under Erickson's watch.

    The guy I wish had stayed in Coral Gables was Johnson, not Schnellenberger or Erickson. Spin doesn't work with me. I have dozens of those games on tape. Johnson's multiple offense suffered when he had an error prone dunce like Testaverde at quarterback against smart defenses, throwing away a national title against Penn State when all he had to do was hand off to Alonso Highsmith. Once Erickson's vulnerable one-back was installed, there was nonsense like tiny Leonard Conley asked to dive toward the goal line in vital situations with three receivers standing out there, accomplishing absolutely nothing. Conley was abused in those spots during key road games at Florida State in 1989 and Notre Dame in 1990. It was beyond ridiculous that the 1990 team was out of title contention during bowl season, with two losses despite preseason #1 ranking and 14 point favoritism in the opener at BYU.

    Besides, it was simply more fun as a fan under Johnson, including the wonderful, "Run it up, Jimmy...Run it up," chant, during his final game as Canes coach, the Orange Bowl win over Nebraska after the 1988 season. With Erickson you mostly looked for him in local bars.
    Great insight my friend. i thought the team that LOST to Penn st was the best U M team ever and they rank in the top 5 of all time. How many all pro awards does that class have in the pros ?. Impressive.

    Howard laid the foundation. Jimmy perfected the produce . Ericson continued the tradition. Butch restored the produce. Coker enjoyed the the ride.

    The guys on here that are not Canes fans probably cann't stand Jimmy. I get that. As a Canes fan I hope Al golden is half the coach Jimmy was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mammoth View Post
    What's really B.S. is that Schnellenberger is ineligible.
    After that 07-08 FAU season, he earned his way out!!

    just kidding, that was the Alzheimer's, had nothing to do with his NFL career which was great

    He doesn't have Alzheimer's, but i've seen him puff the pipe in boca raton and believe hes a drunk

    (On Miami sports teams being popular)

    -“That’s not competition,” LeBron said. “That’s like you rooting for your family members. That’s not competition at all. It would be great to have him, but we’ll see.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger View Post
    5 seasons Oklahoma State -- 1979 thru 1983

    5 seasons Miami -- 1984 thru 1988

    The Canes were a sporadically talented but vulnerable team when Johnson took over. That's why they were 12 point home underdogs in Schnellenberger's final game, and 7 point underdogs on a neutral site to Auburn in Johnson's first game as coach. There was absolutely no guarantee the program would continue on the same path, and not be a one-and-done. As much as I like Schnellenberger, why are we supposed to ignore the -- in retrospect -- incomparably inept handicapping he displayed by bolting the Canes program in the mid '80s? I always have to laugh when he bemoans how many titles he might have won if he'd remained. That's like my buddies in Las Vegas who have all the winners on the 7 PM games at 11 PM. Johnson wisely accepted the Miami job after Sam Jankovich was even more astute in pursuing Johnson, who was hardly a household name or hot commodity. That chain of genius equates to Hall of Fame. Schnellenberger can accept the ever popular might-have-been praise, the Spectacular Bid Award.

    Besides, Jimmy Johnson inherited great quarterbacks like Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testaverde from Schnellenberger, but he also found Steve Walsh, and left the likes of Craig Erickson and Gino Torretta for Erickson. Once Erickson had to rely on his own quarterback recruiting it was disasters like Frank Costa, Ryan Collins, Alan Hall and Chris Walsh.

    The Miami program was a fortified dynasty when Erickson was summoned from Washington State. Johnson had built a talent base throughout the roster and the defense, in particular, was dominant, far more dependable than Schnellenberger's version. During Johnson's final three seasons and spilling over into Erickson's reign it was almost unheard of for the Canes to be an underdog. When Erickson left the program it was leaking all over the place, with three consecutive bowl defeats including two embarrassing routs and a loss in the Orange Bowl, blowing a 4th quarter lead. The Pell Grant scandal was under Erickson's watch.

    The guy I wish had stayed in Coral Gables was Johnson, not Schnellenberger or Erickson. Spin doesn't work with me. I have dozens of those games on tape. Johnson's multiple offense suffered when he had an error prone dunce like Testaverde at quarterback against smart defenses, throwing away a national title against Penn State when all he had to do was hand off to Alonso Highsmith. Once Erickson's vulnerable one-back was installed, there was nonsense like tiny Leonard Conley asked to dive toward the goal line in vital situations with three receivers standing out there, accomplishing absolutely nothing. Conley was abused in those spots during key road games at Florida State in 1989 and Notre Dame in 1990. It was beyond ridiculous that the 1990 team was out of title contention during bowl season, with two losses despite preseason #1 ranking and 14 point favoritism in the opener at BYU.

    Besides, it was simply more fun as a fan under Johnson, including the wonderful, "Run it up, Jimmy...Run it up," chant, during his final game as Canes coach, the Orange Bowl win over Nebraska after the 1988 season. With Erickson you mostly looked for him in local bars.


    You're leaving out the 31-0 lead that Jimmy's team blew to Maryland. Get that one on tape if you don't have it. Like I said, Jimmy gets into the college Hall of Fame based on his accomplishments as a player combined with his coaching career. He wouldn't come close based on the merits of his 5 seasons, and losing bowl record at Miami. He's basically Bill McCartney as a college head coach, without the longevity or building a program from scratch.

    Jimmy was handed a clean and solid program that Howard saved and built. Jimmy handed over a renegade program to Dennis Erickson.

    If you want to see a dunce quarterback overmatched against a good defense, look no further than Gino Toretta that Jimmy left for Erickson. Get that one on tape too.

    You're entire post was nothing but spin here, Awsi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post

    Jimmy was handed a clean and solid program that Howard saved and built. Jimmy handed over a renegade program to Dennis Erickson.

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    The program Howard left behind was solid but they had a ton of luck in thier championship year including the win over the Cornhuskers. He left a solid foundation. Jimmy had a tough first season with the Maryland come back and the hail Flute BS
    but then when on to dominate college football for years to come.
    Johnson started with a shaky 8–5 record his first season, which included a game in which Johnson's Hurricanes blew a 31–0 halftime lead in a loss to Maryland with Frank Reich as its QB and also included a 47–45 loss toBoston College immortalized by Doug Flutie's "Hail Mary" touchdown pass on the game's final play. But Johnson developed the Hurricanes into a football program that came to be known as "The Decade of Dominance." In his five years at Miami, Johnson compiled a 52–9 record, appeared in five New Year's Day bowl games, winning one national championship (1987) and losing one to the Penn State Nittany Lions (1986).
    Johnson created a free-wheeling atmosphere where he allowed, and at times encouraged, his players to showboat, trash-talk, and run up the score. The criticism they received from other teams caused the media to deem them the "Bad Boys of College Football," a moniker Johnson openly accepted.
    Johnson's Hurricanes would post the school's first undefeated regular season in 1986, only to lose the National Championship Game that year to #2 Penn State. The loss, along with losses in Miami's prior two bowl games, began to raise questions about whether Johnson was capable of winning major games. In the ensuing 1987 season, however, the Hurricanes went undefeated in the regular season yet again, and won the school's second National Title by defeating Oklahoma for the third season in a row.




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    Quote Originally Posted by fishfanmiami View Post
    The program Howard left behind was solid but they had a ton of luck in thier championship year including the win over the Cornhuskers. He left a solid foundation. Jimmy had a tough first season with the Maryland come back and the hail Flute BS
    but then when on to dominate college football for years to come.
    Johnson started with a shaky 8–5 record his first season, which included a game in which Johnson's Hurricanes blew a 31–0 halftime lead in a loss to Maryland with Frank Reich as its QB and also included a 47–45 loss toBoston College immortalized by Doug Flutie's "Hail Mary" touchdown pass on the game's final play. But Johnson developed the Hurricanes into a football program that came to be known as "The Decade of Dominance." In his five years at Miami, Johnson compiled a 52–9 record, appeared in five New Year's Day bowl games, winning one national championship (1987) and losing one to the Penn State Nittany Lions (1986).
    Johnson created a free-wheeling atmosphere where he allowed, and at times encouraged, his players to showboat, trash-talk, and run up the score. The criticism they received from other teams caused the media to deem them the "Bad Boys of College Football," a moniker Johnson openly accepted.
    Johnson's Hurricanes would post the school's first undefeated regular season in 1986, only to lose the National Championship Game that year to #2 Penn State. The loss, along with losses in Miami's prior two bowl games, began to raise questions about whether Johnson was capable of winning major games. In the ensuing 1987 season, however, the Hurricanes went undefeated in the regular season yet again, and won the school's second National Title by defeating Oklahoma for the third season in a row.





    Tom Osborne would be included on my list of duds with Jimmy, Frank Beamer, and Bo Schembechler if he hadn't managed to put together that great 4 year run at the end. Osborne notoriously lost every single big game Nebraska played in until Tommie Frazier (best option quarterback I've ever seen) came along. He blundered away the 1983 national title against an overmatched opponent.... lost a rematch with Oklahoma in the late 70's... couldn't beat Bobby Bowden to save his life in 4 bowl games.... got shut out by Miami in an Orange Bowl.... somehow lost to Iowa St. in 1992, who hadn't beat Nebraska in three decades... blew a shot at a three-peat by getting shutout by Pat Tillman's Arizona St. team... and then bungled away the first ever Big-12 title game... despite INHERITING a gift of a program from Bob Devaney.



    The win over Nebraska has more to do with Tom Osborne than luck... which is a different subject all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    Tom Osborne would be included on my list of duds with Jimmy, Frank Beamer, and Bo Schembechler if he hadn't managed to put together that great 4 year run at the end. Osborne notoriously lost every single big game Nebraska played in until Tommie Frazier (best option quarterback I've ever seen) came along. He blundered away the 1983 national title against an overmatched opponent.... lost a rematch with Oklahoma in the late 70's... couldn't beat Bobby Bowden to save his life in 4 bowl games.... got shut out by Miami in an Orange Bowl.... somehow lost to Iowa St. in 1992, who hadn't beat Nebraska in three decades... blew a shot at a three-peat by getting shutout by Pat Tillman's Arizona St. team... and then bungled away the first ever Big-12 title game... despite INHERITING a gift of a program from Bob Devaney.



    The win over Nebraska has more to do with Tom Osborne than luck... which is a different subject all together.
    Agree about Osborne and Beamer.
    The reason i think the Canes got lucky was that last play which could have gone either way.



    But hey that is football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    Jimmy's accomplishments elsewhere other than Miami is what barely gets him into the college Hall of Fame. His experience as a head coach in college doesn't even meet the minimum requirement of 10 years.He was 1-1 in national championship games as a coach and has a losing record in bowl games (2-3). Dennis Erickson has a higher winning percentage at Miami, and won twice as many national titles as Jimmy. Erickson is also an innovator of the one-back offense going back to his days at Idaho where Scott Linehan played quarterback for him. He'll be there soon.Out of Jimmy, Dennis Erickson, and Howard Schnellenberger.... Jimmy is the least deserving to be in the college football Hall of Fame. The fact that Howard Schnellenberger is ineligible based on winning percentage is the biggest travesty in the sport. He resurrected dead programs, and started brand new one's. One of the best program builders of his era.He took what he learned from Bear Bryant at Alabama and is the reason the University of Miami even has a football program. Howard Schnellenberger is why Jimmy Johnson is now in the college football Hall of Fame. This man belongs in the Hall of Fame.
    Are you ****ing stoned??? Erickson, who won two National Championships with Jimmy Johnsons' players. He was handed two titles. How many losses did Dennis Erickson have when all of the players on the team were his recruits? What was it, four or five? Erickson didn't have enough sense to scrape the one back offense, when he didn't recruit players that fit that scheme.
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    Erickson inherited a championship team . I give him credit for not F ing it up.
    Hell i could have coached that team to a title or two.
    He was no J J . i give Butch Davis lots of credit for bring them back to prominance. He's the best coach we've had since Jimmy.
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