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Thread: Why the Dolphins Can Beat the New York Jets

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    Instead of wasting posts about me why don't you actually contribute to our site through football discussions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    every team loses close games, the best teams find ways to win most of those games, the mediocre/bad ones lose them.
    We all agree on that. The Dolphins aren't the complete elephant **** smelling team you're making them out to be but they aren't a great team by any stretch of the imagination.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    every team loses close games, the best teams find ways to win most of those games, the mediocre/bad ones lose them. There has been a HUGE gap btw Miami and the Jets the last few years whether you want to admit it or not.

    The only year they semi competed for a playoff spot was 2009 but thye lost to 3 non playoff teams top end the season and didn't even finish at .500.

    every team has a chance which is what makes the run of Miami and Buffalo so remarkable. Even a team like Cincy w/ a rookie QB could make the playoffs last year and Miami and Buf have combined for 1 postseason spot since 2002.
    I can't admit to something that I don't believe. The Jets have been an average regular season team 2 out of 3 seasons. The Dolphins have been slightly below average 2 out of 3 seasons. If a couple of plays go for the Dolphins and the other way for the Jets, they easily swap positions. 8 games over 3 years is not a huge gap. Especially when you consider the close losses for the Dolphins and the close wins for the Jets. Good teams find ways to win games and the Dolphins have not been able to do that. That doesn't mean that they aren't close.

    How did we get all the way back to 2002? The Jets have made the playoffs 5 times since 2002 and 2 of those playoff births came with a 9-7 record. The Dolphins missed the playoffs 3 times at 9-7, 9-7, and 10-6. The Dolphins have been through 5 head coaches and 16 different starting QBs in that time span. In spite of that, they have had a winning record 40% of the time. None of that matters though. Changes have been made. That is what you don't seem to get. You act like Ross was content being 7-9, 7-9, and 6-10 and didn't do anything about it. He did. We have to wait and see if those changes produce results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    I can't admit to something that I don't believe. The Jets have been an average regular season team 2 out of 3 seasons. The Dolphins have been slightly below average 2 out of 3 seasons. If a couple of plays go for the Dolphins and the other way for the Jets, they easily swap positions. 8 games over 3 years is not a huge gap. Especially when you consider the close losses for the Dolphins and the close wins for the Jets. Good teams find ways to win games and the Dolphins have not been able to do that. That doesn't mean that they aren't close.

    How did we get all the way back to 2002? The Jets have made the playoffs 5 times since 2002 and 2 of those playoff births came with a 9-7 record. The Dolphins missed the playoffs 3 times at 9-7, 9-7, and 10-6. The Dolphins have been through 5 head coaches and 16 different starting QBs in that time span. In spite of that, they have had a winning record 40% of the time. None of that matters though. Changes have been made. That is what you don't seem to get. You act like Ross was content being 7-9, 7-9, and 6-10 and didn't do anything about it. He did. We have to wait and see if those changes produce results.
    8-8 was our worst season in the 3 years under rex, 7-9 was your BEST season in the past 3 years. We have almost as many playoff wins as you had reg season wins last year.

    Who careas what the record was? sometimes 9 wins is good enough and sometimes it isn't. 9-7 in 2009 was better than 11-5 in the weak '08 sched, our 9-7 in '02 was in a year where the last place team was 8-8, it was better than our 10-6 year the year before.

    You haven't legitimately competed for postseason under Ross, we;ve been there 2 of 3 years and made noise in both apps. The last time Miami was in a title game was 1992, the last time they were close was 1994.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    8-8 was our worst season in the 3 years under rex, 7-9 was your BEST season in the past 3 years. We have almost as many playoff wins as you had reg season wins last year.

    Who careas what the record was? sometimes 9 wins is good enough and sometimes it isn't. 9-7 in 2009 was better than 11-5 in the weak '08 sched, our 9-7 in '02 was in a year where the last place team was 8-8, it was better than our 10-6 year the year before.

    You haven't legitimately competed for postseason under Ross, we;ve been there 2 of 3 years and made noise in both apps. The last time Miami was in a title game was 1992, the last time they were close was 1994.
    9 wins gives you a decent shot at making the playoffs. 10 will usually get you in. The Dolphins had 3 seasons where they won at least 9 games and missed the post season. My point is, they were close and it wouldn't have taken much for us to be comparing 4 playoff apps for the Dolphins to 5 for the Jets. I'm not talking about 10 years ago and am not talking about playoff wins. I simply said that the Jets have been an average regular season team 2 out of 3 years and 8 more wins over 3 years is not as big of a gap as you make it out to be. We will never agree on this just like we will never agree that the Jets are an elite team. We will get to see who is right over the next couple of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    9 wins gives you a decent shot at making the playoffs. 10 will usually get you in. The Dolphins had 3 seasons where they won at least 9 games and missed the post season. My point is, they were close and it wouldn't have taken much for us to be comparing 4 playoff apps for the Dolphins to 5 for the Jets. I'm not talking about 10 years ago and am not talking about playoff wins. I simply said that the Jets have been an average regular season team 2 out of 3 years and 8 more wins over 3 years is not as big of a gap as you make it out to be. We will never agree on this just like we will never agree that the Jets are an elite team. We will get to see who is right over the next couple of years.
    but you only have 1 postseason app since 2002 and while you did win 10 in '03 you lost to NE in what was your biggest game in week 15 before winning 2 pretty meaningless games in weeks 16 & 17. In the saban year you were out of the race by october and finished really strong to end at 9-7 but were never in the race. 2002 you had a shot but lost your last 2 games inclduing blowing a late double digit lead at NE in week 17. You earned your one appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    but you only have 1 postseason app since 2002 and while you did win 10 in '03 you lost to NE in what was your biggest game in week 15 before winning 2 pretty meaningless games in weeks 16 & 17. In the saban year you were out of the race by october and finished really strong to end at 9-7 but were never in the race. 2002 you had a shot but lost your last 2 games inclduing blowing a late double digit lead at NE in week 17. You earned your one appearance.
    When did I say otherwise? I said they were close and with 1 or 2 more wins, we could be talking about 4 playoff apps for the Dolphins. You are never out of the race until you are mathematically eliminated. The Jags were 3-6 and 4-7 in 96 and made the playoffs. It wasn't likely but the Dolphins still had a chance until week 14 when SD and Pitt won their games eliminating the Dolphins.

    The Dolphins have been bad the last decade which have been some of the worst seasons in franchise history, but you are acting like the Dolphins have been like the Lions, Bills and Browns of the last decade.

    From 2000 -2012 The Jets are 8th in winning % and the Dolphins are 9th.


    AFC EAST W L T PCT S.B Wins Super Bowl Appear. Playoff Appear.
    New England Patriots 139 53 .723 3 5 8
    New York Jets 99 93 .515 6
    Miami Dolphins 92 100 .479 3
    Buffalo Bills 76 116 .395
    AFC NORTH
    Pittsburgh Steelers 127 64 1 .661 2 3 8
    Baltimore Ravens 116 76 .604 1 1 8
    Cincinnati Bengals 81 110 1 .421 3
    Cleveland Browns 66 126 .343 1
    AFC SOUTH
    Indianapolis Colts 126 65 .661 1 2 10
    Tennessee Titans 106 86 .552 1 5
    Jacksonville Jaguars 89 103 .463 2
    Houston Texans 65 95 .406 1
    AFC West
    Denver Broncos 105 87 .546 5
    San Diego Chargers 102 90 .531 5
    Kansas City Chiefs 87 105 .453 3
    Oakland Raiders 78 114 .406 1 3
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    I never said the Dolphins were one of the worst franchise but in the last decade of football they have 1 postseason app, I don't care that they won a few meaningless late reg season games in '03, '05, '11 to make their record look better. They have been worse than mediocre b/c a mediocre team would at least have a few playoff apps in 10 seasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Who careas what the record was? sometimes 9 wins is good enough and sometimes it isn't. 9-7 in 2009 was better than 11-5 in the weak '08 sched, our 9-7 in '02 was in a year where the last place team was 8-8, it was better than our 10-6 year the year before.
    That just goes to show that acting like your team is so much better is nonsense considering the Jets had similar records to the Dolphins from 2002 until now and just happened to get into the playoffs with those records during the years when going 9-7 was good enough (whereas when the Dolphins didn't, it wasn't).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    I never said the Dolphins were one of the worst franchise but in the last decade of football they have 1 postseason app, I don't care that they won a few meaningless late reg season games in '03, '05, '11 to make their record look better. They have been worse than mediocre b/c a mediocre team would at least have a few playoff apps in 10 seasons.
    Wins aren't meaningless until you are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. The Jets started out 2-5 in 2002. They were 7-7 while the Dolphins were 9-5 in week 15. The Jets needed help to get in the playoffs and the Dolphins obliged with back to back losses to end the season. The Dolphins were in a similar position in 2005 at 7-7 in week 15 and needed help from Pitt (9-5) but didn't get the help they needed. The Dolphins were 9-6 in 2003 and needed help with a Denver loss, but didn't get it. The Jets lost their last 2 games in 2004 and needed Buff to lose to Pitt backups to clinch a spot, and they got the help they needed. The Jets were 7-7 in 2009 and were not in control of their own destiny. They not only got help from Indy not playing their starters (or game planning), but got help from the Dolphins when they ended the season with 3 straight losses. Even with all that, the Jets still needed Denver to lose in week 17 to clinch the final WC spot.

    In the last decade, the Jets have gone into the final day of the regular season not knowing if they’re in or out of the playoffs 7 times. Sometimes they earned their spot on their own (like in 2001 when John Hall hit a last minute 53 yard FG to beat Oak 24-22) and other times, they got help.

    The Jets have barely made the playoffs several times (2001, 2002, 2004, 2009) and the Dolphins just missed out several times. A play here or there, another win and a loss by another team, and we are having a different conversation.
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