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Thread: Dems want 10 dollar/hour minimum wage.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jared81 View Post
    Who said that? Do you just make this stuff up or is it just supernatural? Just because some of us have an issue with small businesses paying more money in payroll, doesn't make us heartless, racist.

    Ill turn it around on you. Why do you hate small businesses?
    Make what up? Did you not read the OP blaming the 2007 increase as an underlying cause of the "great recession"? And where do you read I hate small business? Are you having comprehension problems today?

    Small businesses are the backbone and are having issues paying wages as you pointed out and like Lou, I don't have the answers in this complex issue. However, there is no reason I see that the minimum wage cant be raised annually with a cost of living increase.

    As for my shot at conservatives, it's the truth. Conservatives only give consideration as to what is in their own best interests, not what benefits everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jared81 View Post
    Im sorry you only have 3g, ill say a prayer for you tonight. What does having a tax return have to do with anything? It's still your money and you choose to buy a smartphone and internet service for it monthly. Yet you want to complain that you can barely eat. Only in America folks.
    He has a phone and food? What a commie. Doesnt he know that your suppose to dig through trash cans and commit crime for our scarce resources! Man this country is going down the tube. If he tells us he has a microwave and a ceiling fan on top of having food we should stone him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spesh View Post
    He has a phone and food? What a commie. Doesnt he know that your suppose to dig through trash cans and commit crime for our scarce resources! Man this country is going down the tube. If he tells us he has a microwave and a ceiling fan on top of having food we should stone him!
    Make a point, instead of just spouting off sarcastic comments. Don't complain about your financial situations and have luxurys. That is hypocritical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jared81 View Post
    Im sorry you only have 3g, ill say a prayer for you tonight. What does having a tax return have to do with anything? It's still your money and you choose to buy a smartphone and internet service for it monthly. Yet you want to complain that you can barely eat. Only in America folks.
    Tax returns allows people to buy nice things they can't afford the rest of the year. I am single and don't have any kids. So any extra tax return left over after paying bills can go towards whatever I want it to. Same goes for you.

    Also I don't have Internet at home. I only use the Internet when I am at work. Which, before you bring that up, is during a grave yard shift at a hotel on my hand-me-down laptop from my brother. I don't have any luxuries outside of what I bought before I lost a really good paying job. I pay rent on a one bedroom apartment, gas and electric, cell phone bill (I am on a family plan with my parents. If I wasn't in couldn't afford my phone bill), car payment (I chose to keep my car over the house I had to short sale), insurance and gas for said car. What money I have left over goes towards food.

    But I have a better question. Who are you to look down on me? I know I am not as bad off as some folks. I at least take responsibility for the situation I have created for myself. But raising the minimum wage to ten dollars isn't going to make that much of a difference when cost of living is so high across the nation. Sure it might get some folks off government funded programs. But they will still be in the same boat just without the assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jared81 View Post
    Its called sarcasm. So Obama has a history of being a moderate? He was the most liberal member of the senate before he was president. I don't believe Obama is a socialist, but I do believe people make a valid point when they call him liberal.

    I have experience with small business owners. My point is they arent all rich white people. All I was saying is raising the min wage would hurt them. It's really easy for you to talk about spending other people's money.
    It's also called reductio ad absurdum. I appreciate sarcasm as much as anyone, but when it's in response to a legitimate idea, I think it opens the door for people (mostly politicians and pundits) to go to those extremes and absurdities as their default position. And in turn, the less informed actually buy into such things as legitimate counter arguments. (No, I'm not saying we should never use sarcasm... just to be wary of it and not take it too far, like implying that raising the minimum wage caused the recession).

    I'm sure you're right about raising the minimum wage. If it wouldn't hurt anyone it would be a no-brainer decision. Those, however, are quite rare in public policy.

    As for the President being the most liberal member of the Senate, that's also hyperbolic. What you're referring to is an attempt to quantify an ideology (among a group set of only 100 people I might add) simply by the number of yes or no votes cast on a very select set of laws. And in that flawed method, the President was only considered the most liberal for one year, the year he missed a lot of votes because he was campaigning for the presidency. And even if all of that wasn't true, his votes in the Senate do not alter his actions as the President.
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    That increase in minimum wages would increase purchasing power. Good move.

    And to the conservatives: most small business who hire people are either near or above $10/hour anyways. The mom and pop at home business would not have hired anybody anyways be at $8 or $10/hour. I am considered a small business and I have not one employee at 10/hour. To get qualified people you have to be at least at 14/hour.

    But it affects the service industry like waiters, bartenders, tourism, dock workers, warehouse workers - hardly what you call small business.

    And when has any conservative been in a small business the last time? How often have you forgone Home Depot for the small mom and pop hardware store at the corner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jared81 View Post
    Make a point, instead of just spouting off sarcastic comments. Don't complain about your financial situations and have luxurys. That is hypocritical.
    Dont want me to make humorous comments? Stop making it so easy.

    I honestly didnt take this for a serious discussion. Your questioning someone on how he spends his hard earned money(go small government!!!!) by pointing out he has what many consider basic tools in today's life(perhaps he needs a phone for business purposes? WHOA! Phones being used for business, mind blowing!) as some huge luxury spending. The justification your using for this is that other countries are worse. How am i suppose to take this sort of "logic" as something other than humor?
    You know whos really poor? Slaves. Perhaps we should emulate that model. I will admit cost would go down.

    Edit: as Lou pointed out earlier, this is a complex situation and i would have no problem reading a thread about it and jumping in for the discussion. You know, with those that are actually interested in discussing it instead of those who are more interested in pointing out one member has a cellphone and declaring that somehow means his argument is moot and he is some huge spender who has no room to say anything about making minimum wage. Basically, i dont take "Ad Hominem" attacks as serious point making.
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    Rasing min wage to 10 dollars sounds great in theory. But places like Mcdonalds and Taco Bell that employ the most people on min wage will hire less workers. If anything it will increase unemployment.





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    Quote Originally Posted by DisturbedShifty View Post
    Tax returns allows people to buy nice things they can't afford the rest of the year. I am single and don't have any kids. So any extra tax return left over after paying bills can go towards whatever I want it to. Same goes for you.

    Also I don't have Internet at home. I only use the Internet when I am at work. Which, before you bring that up, is during a grave yard shift at a hotel on my hand-me-down laptop from my brother. I don't have any luxuries outside of what I bought before I lost a really good paying job. I pay rent on a one bedroom apartment, gas and electric, cell phone bill (I am on a family plan with my parents. If I wasn't in couldn't afford my phone bill), car payment (I chose to keep my car over the house I had to short sale), insurance and gas for said car. What money I have left over goes towards food.

    But I have a better question. Who are you to look down on me? I know I am not as bad off as some folks. I at least take responsibility for the situation I have created for myself. But raising the minimum wage to ten dollars isn't going to make that much of a difference when cost of living is so high across the nation. Sure it might get some folks off government funded programs. But they will still be in the same boat just without the assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    Rasing min wage to 10 dollars sounds great in theory. But places like Mcdonalds and Taco Bell that employ the most people on min wage will hire less workers. If anything it will increase unemployment.
    I doubt that. Business is what it is. Maybe we have less of the $1-2-4-1 fatty Burger deals. Maybe it will only be $1.50-2-4-1 deals.

    The profit margin is huge. If I can do a simple cheeseburger cheaper at home than purchased at McD then what do you think their profit margin is?

    6 hamburger buns @ 0.99 (0.16 per Burger)
    6 prepackaged burger @ 1.99 (0.33 per Burger)
    18 slices of processed cheese @$1.75 (0.10 per Burger)

    59 cents per burger. I'd say the max cost is around 1/3 over retail ($0.20).
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