I think there are plenty of valid reasons why someone shouldn't vote for Obama, but there are also a bunch of bull**** reasons not to vote for him and concentrating on those in this forum keeps me plenty busy. I also, as I've posted in other threads, think there are plenty of good reasons not to vote for some of the popular third party candidates. One thing I always try to do is make the point that every vote is a compromise, no matter who you cast it for. All too often there's sort of a smugness about voting for a third party and a condescension toward anyone who "sells out" for one of the top two choices. Like film buffs who dismiss Hitchcock or James Bond as mere "entertainment", this sort of thing draws me in with irresistible irritation.
Hitchcock is widely loved by film buffs. Vertigo was just named the best film of all time by Sight and Sound, and that is considered the most prestigious list around.
Anyway, my point wasn't so much about Hitchcock, it was about a tone people take about it that reminds me at times of people who vote for third parties. Certainly not all. Not even most. I haven't particularly detected it on this board actually. But there's this sort of mostly unspoken attitude I think we're all aware of that voting for Romney is definitely uncool. Voting for Obama is cool, but also seen as sort of shallow. Whereas voting for/supporting a third party, especially the libertarians or the Green party, is sort of a status symbol, a declaration that you know the issues and don't carry the water for the corporate blah blah blah.
That kind of incentive can be corrupting, is all. Not just in politics but in fashion, religion, food choices. Most things in life. Whatever community subset one belongs to there's always pressure to conform to these sort of unspoken rules. I remember in college going to shows and noticing all of a sudden that every other person in the venue was wearing Adidas. A buddy of mine I was in a band with was easily 275 pounds and wore nothing but skinny jeans and had an ear hoop the size of a shot glass. Let's just say these were not fashion decisions he made for no reason.
And i agree, the majority of the stuff that bothers me about the President isnt discussed on here. But what can ya do.
I don't know that the 3rd party supporters are as much the hipsters as one might think. I'll always support the candidate that doesn't want to detain American citizens without due process & who wants to legalize pot no matter what party they're from. Neither the current Democratic nor Republican candidates share these views with me.
Originally Posted by TheWalrus
Check out Doug Benson's "Doug Loves Movies" podcast, makes for good background noise when I'm working on something else/ driving.
A lot of people can't grasp and comprehend the complications of life with all its possibilities and choices. So they revert to make it all quite simple. You see that with Statler and the Dinosaurs. That earth could be billions of years old and the whole big bang theory and evolution is quite complex. To understand life and how we got here he simplifies it to '6000 years and the old man putting meatballs in the sky'. Romney appeals to this type of crowd. Though he talks down on the average citizens he throws out 'feel good phrases' and even if they change from one day to the next to think different or re-evaluate it takes to much time and is too complex of a process. Heck Romney should be way behind just on the grounds of the 47% comment. I remember the uproar when Obama mentioned the 1%.
Life is not easy and if it is getting to complicated most just simplify.
Have a splendid happy go **** yourself weekend!
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Makes you wonder, though... all these young people cynical about the political process. Yet many can't even find major countries on a map or give you the name of their representatives. From what personal experience or knowledge does this cynicism arise? Or is that also all a pose, an easy rationalization to sit lazily back and not give a ****?
Thanks, I will. Not much of a podcast listener, but I've finally joined the new millennium and gotten a smart phone so I can put podcasts on it when I take walks, which I enjoy.Check out Doug Benson's "Doug Loves Movies" podcast, makes for good background noise when I'm working on something else/ driving.