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    Quote Originally Posted by Spesh View Post
    Started taking personal shots at a posters profession, suggesting they didnt deserve it because "they support Obama" or something to that effect. Not going to lie, just sort of glazed over the post before i started ripping into it. All the bull**** sort of blends together.

    Theres been alot of accusations around here about Obama supporters. Gotta ask, has anyone even made a pro-Obama argument? I mean other then CrazyDolphin whos a ****ing moron. Most ive seen is us attacking retarded discussion points. Some of those posts lean left, but its mostly because we disagree with cries of socialist and Sharia law. For all the supposed Obama love, i just dont see anyone really supporting that dude. Seems like we are all just pissed off about how the Republican party let us down by fielding window lickers for candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spesh View Post
    Started taking personal shots at a posters profession, suggesting they didnt deserve it because "they support Obama" or something to that effect. Not going to lie, just sort of glazed over the post before i started ripping into it. All the bull**** sort of blends together.

    Theres been alot of accusations around here about Obama supporters. Gotta ask, has anyone even made a pro-Obama argument? I mean other then CrazyDolphin whos a ****ing moron. Most ive seen is us attacking retarded discussion points. Some of those posts lean left, but its mostly because we disagree with cries of socialist and Sharia law. For all the supposed Obama love, i just dont see anyone really supporting that dude. Seems like we are all just pissed off about how the Republican party let us down by fielding window lickers for candidates.
    I support him. I live in Florida and I'm voting for him. But you're not going to see me do something irrelevant and make a huge Effort Post on why people should do the same. At this point people have their minds fairly well made up, and even if they didn't, as a rule I don't like advocating on behalf of this person or that. My mother is Cuban so by instinct I always try to avoid anything that smells of cult of personality, which is the pose a lot of campaign workers seem to strike. I much prefer to advocate on behalf of issues and if I can sort of steer someone around to my way of thinking about something then perhaps they'll look at their electoral choices a different way. But at this point, you know, I only know two people who haven't made up their mind who they're voting for. One is my father, actually, and he's leaning toward Obama, which would be the first democratic president he's ever voted for (voted McCain in '08). Not too many people around the country thinking about making that switch.

    I think there are plenty of valid reasons why someone shouldn't vote for Obama, but there are also a bunch of bull**** reasons not to vote for him and concentrating on those in this forum keeps me plenty busy. I also, as I've posted in other threads, think there are plenty of good reasons not to vote for some of the popular third party candidates. One thing I always try to do is make the point that every vote is a compromise, no matter who you cast it for. All too often there's sort of a smugness about voting for a third party and a condescension toward anyone who "sells out" for one of the top two choices. Like film buffs who dismiss Hitchcock or James Bond as mere "entertainment", this sort of thing draws me in with irresistible irritation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    Like film buffs who dismiss Hitchcock or James Bond as mere "entertainment", this sort of thing draws me in with irresistible irritation.
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    Hitchcock is widely loved by film buffs. Vertigo was just named the best film of all time by Sight and Sound, and that is considered the most prestigious list around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton View Post
    Hitchcock is widely loved by film buffs. Vertigo was just named the best film of all time by Sight and Sound, and that is considered the most prestigious list around.
    He's widely loved, sure. But there's a whole subset of film people who dismiss him as repetitive, psychologically primitive or ridiculous, pandering, chauvinistic and basically uninterested in deeper issues on the scale of Bergman, Tarkovskiy or Kubrick. Basically, it's just "entertainment," but that word used as a pejorative. I'm a film buff as much as I'm a football buff so this is an attitude I run into a lot.

    Anyway, my point wasn't so much about Hitchcock, it was about a tone people take about it that reminds me at times of people who vote for third parties. Certainly not all. Not even most. I haven't particularly detected it on this board actually. But there's this sort of mostly unspoken attitude I think we're all aware of that voting for Romney is definitely uncool. Voting for Obama is cool, but also seen as sort of shallow. Whereas voting for/supporting a third party, especially the libertarians or the Green party, is sort of a status symbol, a declaration that you know the issues and don't carry the water for the corporate blah blah blah.

    That kind of incentive can be corrupting, is all. Not just in politics but in fashion, religion, food choices. Most things in life. Whatever community subset one belongs to there's always pressure to conform to these sort of unspoken rules. I remember in college going to shows and noticing all of a sudden that every other person in the venue was wearing Adidas. A buddy of mine I was in a band with was easily 275 pounds and wore nothing but skinny jeans and had an ear hoop the size of a shot glass. Let's just say these were not fashion decisions he made for no reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWalrus View Post
    I support him. I live in Florida and I'm voting for him. But you're not going to see me do something irrelevant and make a huge Effort Post on why people should do the same. At this point people have their minds fairly well made up, and even if they didn't, as a rule I don't like advocating on behalf of this person or that. My mother is Cuban so by instinct I always try to avoid anything that smells of cult of personality, which is the pose a lot of campaign workers seem to strike. I much prefer to advocate on behalf of issues and if I can sort of steer someone around to my way of thinking about something then perhaps they'll look at their electoral choices a different way. But at this point, you know, I only know two people who haven't made up their mind who they're voting for. One is my father, actually, and he's leaning toward Obama, which would be the first democratic president he's ever voted for (voted McCain in '08). Not too many people around the country thinking about making that switch.

    I think there are plenty of valid reasons why someone shouldn't vote for Obama, but there are also a bunch of bull**** reasons not to vote for him and concentrating on those in this forum keeps me plenty busy. I also, as I've posted in other threads, think there are plenty of good reasons not to vote for some of the popular third party candidates. One thing I always try to do is make the point that every vote is a compromise, no matter who you cast it for. All too often there's sort of a smugness about voting for a third party and a condescension toward anyone who "sells out" for one of the top two choices. Like film buffs who dismiss Hitchcock or James Bond as mere "entertainment", this sort of thing draws me in with irresistible irritation.
    Im not saying there is no one in America that supports Obama, just saying on this forum. I just dont see this pervasive liberal propaganda that people keep whining about. Most of the points of discussion on here involve one group of people trying to convince everyone that Obama is a socialist and the other group pointing out how ****ing retarded that is. I suppose recently its evolved into one group doing a victory dance about a Romney victory while the other group points out how ****ing retarded that is. We are growing as people.

    And i agree, the majority of the stuff that bothers me about the President isnt discussed on here. But what can ya do.
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    I don't know that the 3rd party supporters are as much the hipsters as one might think. I'll always support the candidate that doesn't want to detain American citizens without due process & who wants to legalize pot no matter what party they're from. Neither the current Democratic nor Republican candidates share these views with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesBW43 View Post
    They live in a simplistic, black and white world. It's either A or B, there is no C.
    It is called 'simplifying your environment'.

    A lot of people can't grasp and comprehend the complications of life with all its possibilities and choices. So they revert to make it all quite simple. You see that with Statler and the Dinosaurs. That earth could be billions of years old and the whole big bang theory and evolution is quite complex. To understand life and how we got here he simplifies it to '6000 years and the old man putting meatballs in the sky'. Romney appeals to this type of crowd. Though he talks down on the average citizens he throws out 'feel good phrases' and even if they change from one day to the next to think different or re-evaluate it takes to much time and is too complex of a process. Heck Romney should be way behind just on the grounds of the 47% comment. I remember the uproar when Obama mentioned the 1%.

    Life is not easy and if it is getting to complicated most just simplify.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    I don't know that the 3rd party supporters are as much the hipsters as one might think. I'll always support the candidate that doesn't want to detain American citizens without due process & who wants to legalize pot no matter what party they're from. Neither the current Democratic nor Republican candidates share these views with me.
    I don't know how many hipsters there are supporting third party candidates. Just in my own totally unscientific observations there seem to be more of them supporting third parties than either of the two major ones. But that doesn't make them a majority of their supporters or anything. Mostly people are somewhere between don't know and don't care, not realizing those are two sides of the same coin.

    Makes you wonder, though... all these young people cynical about the political process. Yet many can't even find major countries on a map or give you the name of their representatives. From what personal experience or knowledge does this cynicism arise? Or is that also all a pose, an easy rationalization to sit lazily back and not give a ****?

    Check out Doug Benson's "Doug Loves Movies" podcast, makes for good background noise when I'm working on something else/ driving.
    Thanks, I will. Not much of a podcast listener, but I've finally joined the new millennium and gotten a smart phone so I can put podcasts on it when I take walks, which I enjoy.
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