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    I don’t think supporting a third party is a cop-out. I think a lot of us care just as much, even though our chances at affecting policy aren’t as good as the current incumbent parties. I'd say a big part of the cynicism comes from people who are fighting these wars/ loved one's affected by those people in the wars. I have a friend in almost every branch of the military, one is currently in Afghanistan & another would be if not for medical reasons. I think a big percentage of the youth see's these as unjust wars, & that certainly doesn't help. I think a big portion of the youth recognizes that 1/2 the prison population is in there for non-violent drug related offenses, & that most of that is young people, & those young people have family and friends who are also affected. I think young people today have access to information in the way that kids even 10, to 20 years ago could never have. Many of them know about things like the NDAA & the unjust droning of civilians. I think people have heard about the Wiki-leaks business, have seen the helicopter footage of soldiers slaughtering civilians. Income disparity is higher than it's ever been. Popular movies like “The Campaign” are satirizing the political election process by pointing out how you can pretty much buy an election. You have the fact that corporations are sort of hedging their bets & funding both candidates so no matter the outcome both candidates can be a captive to their interest's. You have things like lobbying which is out of control. The Federal Reserve has it’s issues. There was that whole Occupy Wallstreet thing over the bailouts. You have the electoral college which is disenfranchising a lot of perspective voters because of the state they live in. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

    So when a guy like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson comes along and says, let’s end these wars, let’s stop the drug war, let’s not detain American citizens & therefore avoid a break-down in the fabric of one of our must fundamental rights of our constitution (due-process), who isn’t held captive to corporate interests, who seems like they have a soul, etc and so forth, I think a lot of people gravitate towards that. I guess people rank candidates on priorities, ending the foreign wars, ending the drug wars, protecting due-process, protecting civil liberties, are all more important to me than whether there’s going to be a slight tax increase/decrease. I don’t agree with everything Ron Paul or Gary Johnson want to do, but if they do the aforementioned I think I can live with whatever else that comes with.

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    On a sidenote, I just watched Obama on the Daily Show. I thought he did well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    I don’t think supporting a third party is a cop-out. I think a lot of us care just as much, even though our chances at affecting policy aren’t as good as the current incumbent parties. I'd say a big part of the cynicism comes from people who are fighting these wars/ loved one's affected by those people in the wars. I have a friend in almost every branch of the military, one is currently in Afghanistan & another would be if not for medical reasons. I think a big percentage of the youth see's these as unjust wars, & that certainly doesn't help. I think a big portion of the youth recognizes that 1/2 the prison population is in there for non-violent drug related offenses, & that most of that is young people, & those young people have family and friends who are also affected. I think young people today have access to information in the way that kids even 10, to 20 years ago could never have. Many of them know about things like the NDAA & the unjust droning of civilians. I think people have heard about the Wiki-leaks business, have seen the helicopter footage of soldiers slaughtering civilians. Income disparity is higher than it's ever been. Popular movies like “The Campaign” are satirizing the political election process by pointing out how you can pretty much buy an election. You have the fact that corporations are sort of hedging their bets & funding both candidates so no matter the outcome both candidates can be a captive to their interest's. You have things like lobbying which is out of control. The Federal Reserve has it’s issues. There was that whole Occupy Wallstreet thing over the bailouts. You have the electoral college which is disenfranchising a lot of perspective voters because of the state they live in. I could go on, but I think you get the point.
    Well, look... like I said, I think there are plenty of reasons to support third party candidates and plenty of reasons for cynicism. Neither is by definition a cop out, but I do think many young people, especially, use them as an excuse to tune out and either not vote, or vote for a third party. I don't give them as much credit as you for having real reasons, or really knowing the issues. Most young people I know (I'm only 30, so maybe I'm still considered young) don't have a good grasp of much of anything outside their own bubble. They don't read, they don't investigate, they don't pay attention. But cynicism? They've got that in spades, because somewhere along the line someone told them the whole thing was a rigged game and they thought, "what a relief, now I don't have to care." Cynicism takes time and experience to build. And all true cynics begin like Miranda in The Tempest beholding a "brave new world, that has such people in it!"

    So when a guy like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson comes along and says, let’s end these wars, let’s stop the drug war, let’s not detain American citizens & therefore avoid a break-down in the fabric of one of our must fundamental rights of our constitution (due-process), who isn’t held captive to corporate interests, who seems like they have a soul, etc and so forth, I think a lot of people gravitate towards that. I guess people rank candidates on priorities, ending the foreign wars, ending the drug wars, protecting due-process, protecting civil liberties, are all more important to me than whether there’s going to be a slight tax increase/decrease. I don’t agree with everything Ron Paul or Gary Johnson want to do, but if they do the aforementioned I think I can live with whatever else that comes with.
    I would bet serious money 90% of the people living in this country couldn't give even a halfway intelligible answer on what due process is, though.
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    Legitimate points. I can't speak for anyone else but I'm sure those people exist. I'm 21 so I won't discount my age as a limiting factor in regards to perspective. In five years I'm sure I'll have evolved certain opinions from where they are now, & five years from then I'll sure it'll be the same case. I think the worst is when people become indoctrinated into a certain ideology they can't ever seem to see outside of. I don't understand the argument though that because X amount of people don't know what due process is, or can't point to a country on a map means, we should keep bombing them or locking them in cages without trail.

    To me it's not so much any one party, it's about the candidates. I just can't vote for a guy that signs off on the NDAA, albeit "regrettably" or whichever synonym he used. I had such high hopes for Obama, the word decriminalization came out of his mouth once in regards to pot, & now he laughs it off when he's asked about it like he's implying, "let's talk about something serious". I've been really surprised at certain directions he's taken as the president that I wouldn't have thought he would going in. Whether that be the NDAA, or the Bush Tax Cuts, infringing upon state-law in regards to cannabis. Idk, seems like a different guy going in than he is now. Makes me think he either said certain things to get elected, or he was a young idealistic senator who when elected, realized he was more of a figure-head than an actual difference maker.



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    Quote Originally Posted by rob19 View Post
    To me it's not so much any one party, it's about the candidates. I just can't vote for a guy that signs off on the NDAA, albeit "regrettably" or whichever synonym he used. I had such high hopes for Obama, the word decriminalization came out of his mouth once in regards to pot, & now he laughs it off when he's asked about it like he's implying, "let's talk about something serious". I've been really surprised at certain directions he's taken as the president that I wouldn't have thought he would going in. Whether that be the NDAA, or the Bush Tax Cuts, infringing upon state-law in regards to cannabis. Idk, seems like a different guy going in than he is now. Makes me think he either said certain things to get elected, or he was a young idealistic senator who when elected, realized he was more of a figure-head than an actual difference maker.
    Heres my question, which you can choose to answer or not, but do you consider him equally as "salesman" as Romney?

    My own personal feeling is he was idealistic and naive, but he did intend to do much of what he promised. I can accept politicians being limited to the political reality we live in. With that reality in mind, i feel that there is a difference between Romney and Obama. Obama did butcher or throw away many of his promises, but did so reluctantly. With Romney, i cant help but see someone who just wants to be President to be President. The willingness to take a completely opposing point of view at any given moment is concerning.

    In most everything else i judge by results, so perhaps im being hypocritical in my lenience of Obama and criticism of Romney. As well, i acknowledge those who get thrown in prison without due process wont really care if the government did so with reluctance. But i see a difference in the way the two candidates have handled their positions. If you, or others, dont see a difference is it simply because of the lack of results?
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