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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    For a long time I've liked Shayne Skov above Te'o. This may be assuming a lot with respect to Skov's injury and how well he's coming back from it, but I still do.
    This could be an excellent draft for Miami to really tackle their problem areas. Best case scenario, at least from this far out, might be to get a good wr in free agency and then concentrate on pass rushers and rebuilding the linebacking corps. I know you probably don't want to stick a round on a prospect this early, but where about would Shayne Skov and Chase Thomas project? I like Thomas a lot. I think he has pass rush ability and versatility. Also, I'm not the biggest fan of Karlos Dansby. He is a good player, but he really turned me off by coming into the season overweight last year. With his contract and supposed leadership status that should not happen.
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    I think Karlos Dansby is about to play at a pretty high level for a while. The problem is we're paying for it. He's making a lot of damn money. But, those are the breaks I guess. I don't think we're going to be discussing ditching Karlos in a year, even with his big price tag.

    And yeah, I thought it was total BS how he showed up 25+ lbs overweight a year ago and still collected the leadership award. I agree with you. But that's in the past. If he doesn't do it again, I'm fine.

    I agree this Draft seems like one we can use to address problem areas but one problem area I think still needs addressing despite the 3rd round pick in Olivier Vernon is defensive end, and next year's class should be a banner year for that position. They really need to partake in that class and work on getting BIG, MEATY and EXPLOSIVE defensive ends that they can put on the field in any situation and beat people one-on-one.

    I'm a big fan of Bjoern Werner, but I also love guys like James Gayle, Dion Jordan, Cornellius Carradine and Malliciah Goodman. Get one. Maybe get two. With the kind of defense the Dolphins are running, they need to revamp the unit and fill it with the type of 6'4" to 6'5" and 255-275 lbs guys that you see on the Giants. There will still be plenty of room for Cam Wake and Olivier Vernon.

    Aside from that obviously they also need an influx of wide receiver talent. They may decide to address that issue in free agency with someone like Dwayne Bowe, but also maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I think Karlos Dansby is about to play at a pretty high level for a while. The problem is we're paying for it. He's making a lot of damn money. But, those are the breaks I guess. I don't think we're going to be discussing ditching Karlos in a year, even with his big price tag.

    And yeah, I thought it was total BS how he showed up 25+ lbs overweight a year ago and still collected the leadership award. I agree with you. But that's in the past. If he doesn't do it again, I'm fine.

    I agree this Draft seems like one we can use to address problem areas but one problem area I think still needs addressing despite the 3rd round pick in Olivier Vernon is defensive end, and next year's class should be a banner year for that position. They really need to partake in that class and work on getting BIG, MEATY and EXPLOSIVE defensive ends that they can put on the field in any situation and beat people one-on-one.

    I'm a big fan of Bjoern Werner, but I also love guys like James Gayle, Dion Jordan, Cornellius Carradine and Malliciah Goodman. Get one. Maybe get two. With the kind of defense the Dolphins are running, they need to revamp the unit and fill it with the type of 6'4" to 6'5" and 255-275 lbs guys that you see on the Giants. There will still be plenty of room for Cam Wake and Olivier Vernon.

    Aside from that obviously they also need an influx of wide receiver talent. They may decide to address that issue in free agency with someone like Dwayne Bowe, but also maybe not.
    Another guy who might fit that is Jeffcoat. I believe he's in the 6-4/6-5 250 range. Yeah, I'd be real excited if the Dolphins added two quality DE's early. The defense would have a chance to be special and we all know the only way to slow down Tom Brady and the Patriots is constant pressure coming from everywhere. I hope you are right about Dansby. On the field he is a good football player and I'd love to see him at his best this year and in the future. I'll be tuning in to see Werner.
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    I hope Vernon shows well this year...but I agree on adding another DE or two. I would be looking for an impact DE in the 1st or 2nd, and then maybe another in the 4th or so. Count me on the Mingo bandwagon at this point. Obviously this next year will tell a lot, but Mingo is just electric. He doesn't have ideal strength yet, but he can work on that. He could easily be a 3rd down rusher to start, which would allow someone like Vernon to slide inside on 3rd down where he and Odrick could create a pretty impressive interior rush IMO..along with Starks in the rotation if he is still around. We could also be in the market for a starting CB depending on how Smith plays this year and what kind of money he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SF Dolphin Fan View Post
    Another guy who might fit that is Jeffcoat. I believe he's in the 6-4/6-5 250 range. Yeah, I'd be real excited if the Dolphins added two quality DE's early. The defense would have a chance to be special and we all know the only way to slow down Tom Brady and the Patriots is constant pressure coming from everywhere. I hope you are right about Dansby. On the field he is a good football player and I'd love to see him at his best this year and in the future. I'll be tuning in to see Werner.
    I dislike Jeffcoat. He's just not very effective right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiDolphin618 View Post
    I hope Vernon shows well this year...but I agree on adding another DE or two. I would be looking for an impact DE in the 1st or 2nd, and then maybe another in the 4th or so. Count me on the Mingo bandwagon at this point. Obviously this next year will tell a lot, but Mingo is just electric. He doesn't have ideal strength yet, but he can work on that. He could easily be a 3rd down rusher to start, which would allow someone like Vernon to slide inside on 3rd down where he and Odrick could create a pretty impressive interior rush IMO..along with Starks in the rotation if he is still around. We could also be in the market for a starting CB depending on how Smith plays this year and what kind of money he wants.
    I just don't know if from a structure standpoint having Mingo and Wake as the bookends is how I want to organize things. That's like having Mathis and Freeney and while they rushed the hell out of the passer, that was a very specialized defense and I'm not sure Kevin Coyle will be running something that could sustain having those two as the bookends.

    I'd rather start populating the DL with some big, lengthy and explosive pass rushers...guys like I just named, Dion Jordan, Bjoern Werner, Cornellius Carradine, James Gayle, maybe Malliciah Goodman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I don't know if it's thin or what. I like Matt Elam a bunch. I think he'll surprise people with interceptions when he works on his hands a little better. He's got undisciplined hands and that gets him penalties as well as dropped interceptions, but there's an instinctive ball hawk hiding in him. I don't think there's any way to say T.J. McDonald is a BAD prospect, he's sudden and explosive, but you do need to see more from him. I like Kenny Vaccaro. I think Tyrann Mathieu probably does move to safety at the next level. Not all these guys will come out but that's not a bad start to the position.



    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    The underclassman declaring are always the aspect that makes or breaks the strength of a particular draft. This particular group of underclassman safeties will make for an exceptionally strong safety class if the top 3 or 4 declare eligible. Reid, Whitley, Jefferson, and Elam were all outstanding as sophomores. They're on an entirely different level physically than you typically see out of sophomore safeties... specifically Nickoe Whitley.

    Reid and Whitley are both explosive tacklers, but also fundamentally sound tacklers when they need to be. As I mentioned in my underclassman thread a few months ago when I started it, I don't think I've ever seen a more violent hitter than Nickoe Whitley at safety.... and I watched Kenny Easley and Ronnie Lott in college. Whitley's ability to explode into contact with precision exceeds anything I've seen. However, what makes Whitley and Reid both special young DB's is their combination of ball skills and range to compliment their ability to be explosive hitters. Their versatility to play either safety spot sets 'em apart.

    Jefferson and Elam are more squatty safeties who overcome their lack of prototypical height for the position with instincts and football IQ. They both take proper angles to the ball and read their run/pass keys correctly instantly. Advanced fundamentally in their tackling to be so young.

    Any one of these safeties declaring early is going to add tremendous talent and skill to the safety class in addition to their upside to keep getting even better. They'll help the Senior crop that's also strong at the top with Robert Lester. There's some kids mixed in with that Senior group that I feel like are a little overrated (T.J. McDonald) but it's offset by underrated prospects like Dexter McCoil.

    It sets up to be a terrific draft for safeties, very strong. Again, the key though is the underclassman.
    I can only hope that this scenario transpires comes next winter and spring. This safety quagmire that Miami seems to be tangled in needs to be fixed. I guess I don't have high hopes for both safety positions this season given the roster and talent level. Jones and Clemons have their shortcomings and the rest of the safeties on the roster....well what can I say, they are lease than inspiring barring some colossal break through.

    So with that said I would be happy as a pig in **** if Miami used a higher round pick next offseason on a high potential safety. So let me ask who off those lists are earmarked for round 1, 2 etc...my travel plans seem to be changing as I type so now my November is likely to be shot but at least I get to see College and the NFL seasons kick off. I'll take it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I just don't know if from a structure standpoint having Mingo and Wake as the bookends is how I want to organize things. That's like having Mathis and Freeney and while they rushed the hell out of the passer, that was a very specialized defense and I'm not sure Kevin Coyle will be running something that could sustain having those two as the bookends.

    I'd rather start populating the DL with some big, lengthy and explosive pass rushers...guys like I just named, Dion Jordan, Bjoern Werner, Cornellius Carradine, James Gayle, maybe Malliciah Goodman.
    I would be thrilled with some of those guys you mentioned. I just see rare explosion out of Mingo. I agree it would be a little light in the pants as bookends...but that could be an elite pass rush. And the Colts never had a DT worth anything, Big Paul, Starks, Odrick, and a solid LB core could ease the weakness as far as being ran all over. Also, do you think Mingo could play a similar role to how Von Miller played this year? He seems like he is fluid enough to play some OLB yet still rush the passer and drop down to DE on 3rd down, etc.

    Don't get me wrong though, if we walk away with a guy like Gayle or Werner I will not be upset at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiDolphin618 View Post
    I would be thrilled with some of those guys you mentioned. I just see rare explosion out of Mingo. I agree it would be a little light in the pants as bookends...but that could be an elite pass rush. And the Colts never had a DT worth anything, Big Paul, Starks, Odrick, and a solid LB core could ease the weakness as far as being ran all over. Also, do you think Mingo could play a similar role to how Von Miller played this year? He seems like he is fluid enough to play some OLB yet still rush the passer and drop down to DE on 3rd down, etc.

    Don't get me wrong though, if we walk away with a guy like Gayle or Werner I will not be upset at all.
    I like Mingo as well, especially considering that Wake isn't a young pup. Mingo is probably the best pure pass rusher in this draft. Saying that, I definitely understand why CK loves Werner. I've checked out his highlights and he has a nice first step and is a bigger guy who can defend the run. I need to see him live to get more of a feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    Elam is going to get knocked for his height (between 5'10" and 5'11") right off the bat. He doesn't have the ball hawking ability of an Earl Thomas (who was also coached by Muschamp at Texas) at that size, so he's not going to make up for it there. However, I really like Elam. He's a hard worker, a good kid, has leadership qualities, and dedicated to film study. He's a very assignment sound safety. He's got good hips, evident by how Muschamp will use him in the slot in man coverage. Basically, I have him as a 2nd rounder at this point, and the 3rd underclassman safety behind Eric Reid and Nickoe Whitley.

    Bacarri Rambo is a higher risk type of kid due to off field issues, but the ability is there. He's got 13 INT's in 3 years, and returned 3 of 'em for TD's.

    Kevin Minter is probably the best of what's been a weak linebacking unit for LSU, but he never stands out when I watch him. I think he's a mediocre prospect right now, but still has 2 years ahead of him to produce. Probably will need both.
    I liked the video highlights you posted of Whitley. He is definitely someone I will watch closely this coming season. Do you see him right now as a 1st rounder?
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