Perseverance of the Saints
This is fallacy. We can/have empirically proven lots of things. We don't however, have any empirical evidence of the God you claim.Originally Posted by Statler Waldorf
You should remind yourself of that definition every time an atheist insists evolution is factual, because there isn't a shred of evidence to support the evolution myth.
Meanwhile, let me inform you that the above definition of faith you gave is not the Bible's definition. Below is what the Bible says about faith. Keep your eyes on the words in bold print.
"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld." (Hebrews 11:1)
Let me break that down for you. The Bible presents almost 2,000 accurately fulfilled prophecies as evidence that it is the inspired word of YHWH/Jehovah/Yahweh. It presents examples of how God dealt with people in the past as evidence of how he will deal with us. God stood by his promises in the Bible. This tells us that when he promises to do something for humanity in the future--and it's written in his inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible--we can be assured those promises will be kept because of God's past record of always keeping promises.
The aforementioned amounts to an "assured expectation" and "evident demonstration of realities though not beheld." Future promised blessing from God will certainly happen.
Last edited by Alter2Ego; 08-07-2012 at 09:15 PM.
Well said. Atheists see the same evidence for the existence of God as do those of us that are believers. They've chosen to dismiss the evidence and to go so far as to argue against the evidence for the existence of God. One cannot convince others of something when they've made up their minds to stubbornly ignore the evidence being presented to them. You know the old saying: "You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink."
Either way in death we will all have our "answers" one way or the other and the beauty of the debate is that everyone could actually be right.
"Frank's Redhot - I Put That **** On Everything!" ~ Ethel
Yahweh/Jehovah/YHWH provides answers to many of our questions in his inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. Although it's true that no human has answers to all the questions, we can get the correct answers to most of the questions in the Bible.
You're kidding of course. Since when did the dead have answers? You might start by looking up the meaning of the word "dead" in your Merriam Webster dictionary. You will find that "dead" is the opposite of "alive." According to the Bible, the dead are unconscious and know absolutely nothing.
Last edited by Alter2Ego; 08-07-2012 at 09:16 PM.
Definition is created by humans, we as humans "know" little in the grand scheme of the cosmos.
"Eclessiastes 9:4-6 " For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. 6 Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun. "
The script that you quote (albeit slightly wrong) in your text is highly debatable, it could be construed that in death you need not worry about mortal things anymore, like anger, fear, happiness, work, death, love etc...and that in death you are unlocked from the bounds of human definition as "we" know it under the sun.
Last edited by NY8123; 08-07-2012 at 03:54 PM.
God tells us in his inspired Word, the Bible, that death is the opposite of life. The terminology "could be" is nothing more than personal opinion aka speculations. But since that seems to work for you, go for it.
To hear you tell it in your paragraph at the top of this post: "Death it is only a path to enlightenment a balance to life as we "know" it." In other words, you KNOW much more than the average human along that line, according to your statement about death being a path to enlightenment. You can stick with your personal speculations. I will stick with what the Bible says at Ecclesiastes 9:5.
I don't recall quoting any scriptures dealing with death in my previous post.
Last edited by Alter2Ego; 08-07-2012 at 09:18 PM.