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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    That is the point. You act like the Jets just threw in the towel becasue they needed help getting in, but they didn't need help against the Eagles or Giants and played just as bad as they did against the Dolphins in week 17.

    Again, I was not just talking about going into the final week of the season. They needed help in 09 like they needed help a few other times. Regardless, the Jets did need help the final week of the season in 02 as well as 04. The 04 Jets only made it becasue Buff lost to Pitt the final week of the season.

    You are not dead until you are eliminated. The 08 Jets were not eliminated until they either lost to the Dolphins, or Bal beat Jax. I don't know which happened first, so I'm not sure if Miami was the one who eliminated them in 08, or if it was the Ravens. I do know that the Dolphins game ended before Tenn / Hou, so Miami eliminated the Jets before Tenn did in 2011.
    Buf lost(to Pitt backups at HOME by the way) before our game went into OT. We only needed a tie or win to ensure a playoff spot, we attempted a 50+ yd FG in OT which we never would have attempted had Buf won and it set up SL's GW FG.

    The Jets earned every one of their playoff apps, they took care of business while other teams did not. I can sit here and say you needed us to lose in 2008 to win the division, we had control of our own destiny up until we lost to Seattle in week 16. We failed, you earned it.

    The Jets were not officially eliminated but it was a dead team each of those seasons.



    Here come the vaark excuses b/c he has absolutely no idea what he is watching when watching football games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    I wasn't just talking about week 17 alone. The 2009 Jets indeed needed help getting in. The Jets needed help in 2002 and 2004. They needed help in 2008 and 2011, but didn't get it. It wouldn't have mattered even if they did get help since they couldn't even beat Miami. After the loss to Miami, it didn't matter who won or loss since Miami already knocked them out.

    I get that it makes you feel better to know that the Jets wouldn't have made the playoffs anyways, but the fact is, Miami is the one who knocked them out since their game ended before any of the other games did.
    And we ended your season ... in WEEK 5.
    At least we had a season.

    In 2008 you won the Divison because Brady was out all season, and Farve tried to play through a torn bicep (which required off season surgery) the last 5 weeks after leading us to an 8-3 start. think that had something to do with the Merling INT?


    This argument is ridiculous. every team plays out their schedule. the teams with the best records go to the playoffs. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthbtold View Post
    And we ended your season ... in WEEK 5.
    At least we had a season.

    In 2008 you won the Divison because Brady was out all season, and Farve tried to play through a torn bicep (which required off season surgery) the last 5 weeks after leading us to an 8-3 start. think that had something to do with the Merling INT?


    This argument is ridiculous. every team plays out their schedule. the teams with the best records go to the playoffs. Period.
    A torn bicep make him decide to throw it literally between the number of a defensive lineman? Favre has made retard throws like that his entire career. Trying to blame that on a bicep tear is on par with some of the crap junc posts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Buf lost(to Pitt backups at HOME by the way) before our game went into OT. We only needed a tie or win to ensure a playoff spot, we attempted a 50+ yd FG in OT which we never would have attempted had Buf won and it set up SL's GW FG.

    The Jets earned every one of their playoff apps, they took care of business while other teams did not. I can sit here and say you needed us to lose in 2008 to win the division, we had control of our own destiny up until we lost to Seattle in week 16. We failed, you earned it.

    The Jets were not officially eliminated but it was a dead team each of those seasons.
    I don't believe for a second that Jets were not playing to win that game. Herm was the head coach at that time. Hello! You play to win the game. He would have never played for a tie in OT. I'm sure the Jets wanted to go into the playoffs losing 3 out of 4. They attempted that FG because they thought it was their best chance at winning. They needed a win to insure a playoff spot and lost the game. Had it not been for Buff losing to Pitt, they wouldn't have made the playoffs. That is needing help to get in. In 2002, they were 2 games back with two games to go. They needed help. In 2009 after losing to Atlanta, they needed help.

    Both the Jets and Dolphins were 8-5 in week 14 in 2008. The Dolphins didn't need the Jets to lose to any other team. They were going to play each other in week 17, so both teams controlled their own destiny at that point.

    The Jets were dead because they were not a good football team. Not because they needed some help to make the playoffs. Again, they had destiny in their own hands against Philly and the Giants and they played just as bad against them as they did against the Dolphins.


    You can make up all the excuses you want, but the fact remains the same. The Dolphins eliminated the Jets from the playoffs. There is no debating it.


    Quote Originally Posted by truthbtold View Post
    And we ended your season ... in WEEK 5.
    At least we had a season.

    In 2008 you won the Divison because Brady was out all season, and Farve tried to play through a torn bicep (which required off season surgery) the last 5 weeks after leading us to an 8-3 start. think that had something to do with the Merling INT?


    This argument is ridiculous. every team plays out their schedule. the teams with the best records go to the playoffs. Period.
    Saying the Jets needed help to make the playoffs is ridiculous? It is a fact. In 2002 they were 7-7 with 2 games to go. They not only needed 2 wins, but they also needed 2 losses by another team in which they had no control over. In 2004, the Jets needed a win to insure a playoff spot and lost. They only qualified because Buff lost to Pitt. In 2009, the Jets were 7-7 after a loss at home to Atl. They not only needed to win their last 2 games, but they also needed the Jaguars to lose to the Patriots and the Dolphins to lose to the Texans and the Ravens to lose to the Steelers. It all happened. That is why I say you are never dead until you are eliminated.

    You play out your schedule, but there is a difference between the teams that clinch early and the teams that need other teams (they have no control over) to lose in order to make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    A torn bicep make him decide to throw it literally between the number of a defensive lineman? Favre has made retard throws like that his entire career. Trying to blame that on a bicep tear is on par with some of the crap junc posts...
    I don't make excuses, I leave that to folks like you who make excuses every year why the jets are better than Miami.

    We didn't lose b/c favre was hurt, we lost b/c favre sucked.

    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    I don't believe for a second that Jets were not playing to win that game. Herm was the head coach at that time. Hello! You play to win the game. He would have never played for a tie in OT. I'm sure the Jets wanted to go into the playoffs losing 3 out of 4. They attempted that FG because they thought it was their best chance at winning. They needed a win to insure a playoff spot and lost the game. Had it not been for Buff losing to Pitt, they wouldn't have made the playoffs. That is needing help to get in. In 2002, they were 2 games back with two games to go. They needed help. In 2009 after losing to Atlanta, they needed help.

    Both the Jets and Dolphins were 8-5 in week 14 in 2008. The Dolphins didn't need the Jets to lose to any other team. They were going to play each other in week 17, so both teams controlled their own destiny at that point.

    The Jets were dead because they were not a good football team. Not because they needed some help to make the playoffs. Again, they had destiny in their own hands against Philly and the Giants and they played just as bad against them as they did against the Dolphins.


    You can make up all the excuses you want, but the fact remains the same. The Dolphins eliminated the Jets from the playoffs. There is no debating it.




    Saying the Jets needed help to make the playoffs is ridiculous? It is a fact. In 2002 they were 7-7 with 2 games to go. They not only needed 2 wins, but they also needed 2 losses by another team in which they had no control over. In 2004, the Jets needed a win to insure a playoff spot and lost. They only qualified because Buff lost to Pitt. In 2009, the Jets were 7-7 after a loss at home to Atl. They not only needed to win their last 2 games, but they also needed the Jaguars to lose to the Patriots and the Dolphins to lose to the Texans and the Ravens to lose to the Steelers. It all happened. That is why I say you are never dead until you are eliminated.

    You play out your schedule, but there is a difference between the teams that clinch early and the teams that need other teams (they have no control over) to lose in order to make it.
    Again, there's no way they attempt a 50+ yd FG late in OT if they didn't know they were already in.

    We didn't need help and again Buf played Pitt backups which I thought guaranteed a win?

    The Jets controlled their destiny until that week 16 loss to Seattle, had we been in a win and in game the results likely would have been different.

    We were not going to the playoffs if we won.

    2002 in week 17 we needed to win and needed one of 2 teams to lose.

    In 2008 the Jets were 2 games up w/ 5 to play so you needed us to choke.

    I have explained 2004, there's no way we attempt a 53 yd FG w/ 3 mins left in OT if Buf hadn't already lost. From 2000-2004 Brien had made just ONE 50+ yd FG but they'd troy him out for a 53 yarder rather than pin SL deep in a game knowing they needed a tie or win to clinch.


    The bottom line is some teams win games early, some teams win games late. Through 16 games the jets won the required amount to make the playoffs in all of those seasons. Whining about it is just pure jealousy.
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    Not reading the entire thread which is probably just people arguing whether or not the Jets suck, but here's my opinion on Coples being scaled back...

    Not a big deal yet. Everybody knew Coples was an enigma. For all his physical talent, he didn't rack up the numbers you'd like to see. But for as big of a goober Rex Ryan can look like, he can also coach up a defensive linemen.

    I remember after the draft saying I guestion how he'd fit in a 3-4 at DE or OLB and junc told me he was playing DE; which in a lot of ways his game is suited for. But you have to remember, playing as a 3-4 D-linemen is a hard adjustment for a kid playing a 4-3 his entire life; especially being a 43 end going to a 3-4 end.

    So while I like any chance to rag on the Jets, this isn't one of the chances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    I don't make excuses, I leave that to folks like you who make excuses every year why the jets are better than Miami.

    We didn't lose b/c favre was hurt, we lost b/c favre sucked.



    Again, there's no way they attempt a 50+ yd FG late in OT if they didn't know they were already in.

    We didn't need help and again Buf played Pitt backups which I thought guaranteed a win?

    The Jets controlled their destiny until that week 16 loss to Seattle, had we been in a win and in game the results likely would have been different.

    We were not going to the playoffs if we won.

    2002 in week 17 we needed to win and needed one of 2 teams to lose.

    In 2008 the Jets were 2 games up w/ 5 to play so you needed us to choke.

    I have explained 2004, there's no way we attempt a 53 yd FG w/ 3 mins left in OT if Buf hadn't already lost. From 2000-2004 Brien had made just ONE 50+ yd FG but they'd troy him out for a 53 yarder rather than pin SL deep in a game knowing they needed a tie or win to clinch.


    The bottom line is some teams win games early, some teams win games late. Through 16 games the jets won the required amount to make the playoffs in all of those seasons. Whining about it is just pure jealousy.
    Brien had already hit a 53 yard FG earlier in the season. Had the Jets punted ball, they would have been giving SL the ball for the 3rd time in OT. They attempted the FG because they thought it was their best chance to win. Do you honestly think that Herm was on the road watching the scoreboard and making his decisions based on what was happening in Buff? I don't think so. Herm was playing to win the game. Not only did the Jets want to win to secure their spot on their own, but they didn't want to go in to the playoffs losing 3 out of 4. You can say they didn't care if they lost and only attempted the FG because Buff had already lost, but that is pure speculation. What we know for a fact is, they lost the game. Without a Buff loss, they would have been eliminated. That is needing help no matter how you look at it.

    Both the 2008 Jets and Dolphins controlled their destiny from week 14 on. You want to say that the Jets would have won had they controlled their destiny, but that didn't work against Sea a week before and it didn't work against Philly and the Giants in 2011. They lost those games because they were not a good football team, not because they needed a little help to make it. 2 games back with 5 games to go is a little different than being 2 games back with 2 games to go.

    There is no required amount of games to make the playoffs. The Jets won enough games to get in, but that doesn't mean that they didn't need help to make it those years. There is a difference between winning your division and making the playoffs and needing other teams to lose late in the season to make it.

    Saying the Jets needed help to make the playoffs a few seasons is not whining. It is stating the facts. Just like saying Miami eliminated the Jets in 2011. Whether they would have made it or not is irrelevant. When Miami beat them, it didn't matter what happened after that because they were eliminated. Had Tenn beat Houston first, it would have been Tenn who eliminated the Jets, but that is not what happened.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    Brien had already hit a 53 yard FG earlier in the season. Had the Jets punted ball, they would have been giving SL the ball for the 3rd time in OT. They attempted the FG because they thought it was their best chance to win. Do you honestly think that Herm was on the road watching the scoreboard and making his decisions based on what was happening in Buff? I don't think so. Herm was playing to win the game. Not only did the Jets want to win to secure their spot on their own, but they didn't want to go in to the playoffs losing 3 out of 4. You can say they didn't care if they lost and only attempted the FG because Buff had already lost, but that is pure speculation. What we know for a fact is, they lost the game. Without a Buff loss, they would have been eliminated. That is needing help no matter how you look at it.

    Both the 2008 Jets and Dolphins controlled their destiny from week 14 on. You want to say that the Jets would have won had they controlled their destiny, but that didn't work against Sea a week before and it didn't work against Philly and the Giants in 2011. They lost those games because they were not a good football team, not because they needed a little help to make it. 2 games back with 5 games to go is a little different than being 2 games back with 2 games to go.

    There is no required amount of games to make the playoffs. The Jets won enough games to get in, but that doesn't mean that they didn't need help to make it those years. There is a difference between winning your division and making the playoffs and needing other teams to lose late in the season to make it.

    Saying the Jets needed help to make the playoffs a few seasons is not whining. It is stating the facts. Just like saying Miami eliminated the Jets in 2011. Whether they would have made it or not is irrelevant. When Miami beat them, it didn't matter what happened after that because they were eliminated. Had Tenn beat Houston first, it would have been Tenn who eliminated the Jets, but that is not what happened.


    His first in the 00s, he as up and down all year. No coach would ever attempts a 53 yd Fg in that situation nowing they needed a tie or win to get in.

    They attempted the Fg b/c they knew they were in and had nothing to lose.

    Do you honestly think word didn't spread to the team and coaches after Buf had lost?

    We essentially clinched in week 16 as we didn't have to win week 17 so we didn't need help. we won the games rewuired to make the playoffs.

    The Jets were playing awful football after the ten game, their only win was a miracle win over a bad Buf team.

    It is whining, you are trying to take away from the Jets reaching the playoffs. The Jets earned every playoff app and never got humiliated in the playoffs unlike a certain team whent hey used to make the playoffs.

    If the Jets beat Miami they still don't make the playoffs. It's as simple as that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    His first in the 00s, he as up and down all year. No coach would ever attempts a 53 yd Fg in that situation nowing they needed a tie or win to get in.

    They attempted the Fg b/c they knew they were in and had nothing to lose.

    Do you honestly think word didn't spread to the team and coaches after Buf had lost?

    We essentially clinched in week 16 as we didn't have to win week 17 so we didn't need help. we won the games rewuired to make the playoffs.

    The Jets were playing awful football after the ten game, their only win was a miracle win over a bad Buf team.

    It is whining, you are trying to take away from the Jets reaching the playoffs. The Jets earned every playoff app and never got humiliated in the playoffs unlike a certain team whent hey used to make the playoffs.

    If the Jets beat Miami they still don't make the playoffs. It's as simple as that.

    The Jets clinched in week 16? You are funny! The Jets needed a win in week 17 to insure a playoff spot. Without a win, they needed help (I.E Buff to lose to Pitt) The Jets lost and needed help. The games required hinged on Buff. Word may have spread that Buff had lost while the Jets were in OT, but I don't believe the Jets were no longer playing to win. No coach is going to coach for a tie. Especially one who's mantra is "You play to win the game". What kind of message would that send to a team that had lost 2 out of the last 3 and close to losing 3 out of the last 4? They played to win.

    If stating the fact that the Jets needed help making the playoffs those seasons takes credit away from them, then so be it. I don't need to try. I'm simply stating the facts. If all playoff births are equal to you, that is fine. There is a difference to me.

    Had Houston converted the 2 point conversion to beat Tenn, the Jets still don't make the playoffs because Miami eliminated them. It is simple, but apparently not for you. Houston losing by 1 point after the Jets were eliminated does not change anything.
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