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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    The Jets clinched in week 16? You are funny! The Jets needed a win in week 17 to insure a playoff spot. Without a win, they needed help (I.E Buff to lose to Pitt) The Jets lost and needed help. The games required hinged on Buff. Word may have spread that Buff had lost while the Jets were in OT, but I don't believe the Jets were no longer playing to win. No coach is going to coach for a tie. Especially one who's mantra is "You play to win the game". What kind of message would that send to a team that had lost 2 out of the last 3 and close to losing 3 out of the last 4? They played to win.

    If stating the fact that the Jets needed help making the playoffs those seasons takes credit away from them, then so be it. I don't need to try. I'm simply stating the facts. If all playoff births are equal to you, that is fine. There is a difference to me.

    Had Houston converted the 2 point conversion to beat Tenn, the Jets still don't make the playoffs because Miami eliminated them. It is simple, but apparently not for you. Houston losing by 1 point after the Jets were eliminated does not change anything.
    They essentially clinhced in week 16 since they didn't have to win in week 17.

    The Jets won the games required in those particular years, everything else is just jealous whining.

    Did Houston convert the 2 pt conversion? if we beat you do we make it? You can use hypotheticals all you want but had we won we still don't make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    They essentially clinhced in week 16 since they didn't have to win in week 17.

    The Jets won the games required in those particular years, everything else is just jealous whining.

    Did Houston convert the 2 pt conversion? if we beat you do we make it? You can use hypotheticals all you want but had we won we still don't make it.
    They did have to win going in to week 17 to insure a spot. They only got in because Buff lost. Had Buff won, the Jets wouldn't have made it. This isn't hard.

    The required amount of games depended on another team losing that the Jets had no control over. It is not whining, it is the facts.

    All of that is irrelevant since Miami eliminated them first. It is a fact that you can not change no matter how much you try to spin it. The Jets had a shot at the playoffs before the Miami game, and had no shot after. That is being eliminated. There are no hypotheticals. You keep saying that the Jets don't make it anyways, but that doesn't change the fact that Miami eliminated them first.
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    Obviously they didn't have to win b/c they lost yet they still made it.

    Some teams win early, some teams win late but each year there is a required amount needed to win and the Jets reached those when they made it.

    If the Jets beat Miami in week 17 would they have made the playoffs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Obviously they didn't have to win b/c they lost yet they still made it.

    Some teams win early, some teams win late but each year there is a required amount needed to win and the Jets reached those when they made it.

    If the Jets beat Miami in week 17 would they have made the playoffs?
    It's 2012 for ****'s sake is it not? Why do you continue to defend your team when that season is unimportant now? Tell these guys who egg you on to get lost



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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinzN703 View Post
    It's 2012 for ****'s sake is it not? Why do you continue to defend your team when that season is unimportant now? Tell these guys who egg you on to get lost
    Why? Believe or not I enjoy this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Obviously they didn't have to win b/c they lost yet they still made it.

    Some teams win early, some teams win late but each year there is a required amount needed to win and the Jets reached those when they made it.

    If the Jets beat Miami in week 17 would they have made the playoffs?
    Now you are just being silly. The Jets controlled their destiny with a win. Without a win, they had to rely on Buff losing. That is not having things wrapped up in week 16.

    There is no set required amount of wins needed to make the playoffs. It changes each year based on what other teams do. Obviously the Jets won enough to get in. I have never said otherwise. There is a difference to me though. The really good teams don't need to rely on other teams (they have no control over) to lose in order to get in.

    How did the Jets get mathematically eliminated in week 17? Only 1 of two things needed to happen. A loss to Miami, or a Tenn win over Hou. Which one happened first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    Now you are just being silly. The Jets controlled their destiny with a win. Without a win, they had to rely on Buff losing. That is not having things wrapped up in week 16.

    There is no set required amount of wins needed to make the playoffs. It changes each year based on what other teams do. Obviously the Jets won enough to get in. I have never said otherwise. There is a difference to me though. The really good teams don't need to rely on other teams (they have no control over) to lose in order to get in.

    How did the Jets get mathematically eliminated in week 17? Only 1 of two things needed to happen. A loss to Miami, or a Tenn win over Hou. Which one happened first?
    You are right, they actually essentially clinched in week 15 when they won their 10th game.


    In each year there is a required # to get in, we don't know that # until week 16 or 17 but there is a required # every year. One year it may be 8, one it may be 9 or 10 but the Jets met the qualifications to earn a trip to postseason in each of those years.

    If the Jets beat Miami do they make the playoffs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    You are right, they actually essentially clinched in week 15 when they won their 10th game.


    In each year there is a required # to get in, we don't know that # until week 16 or 17 but there is a required # every year. One year it may be 8, one it may be 9 or 10 but the Jets met the qualifications to earn a trip to postseason in each of those years.

    If the Jets beat Miami do they make the playoffs?
    The Jets 10th win in week 15 did not put the Jets in the playoffs. They needed buff to lose in week 17 to clinch because they were unable to win and get in on their own. The required # for the Jets was 11 wins. If they didn't get 11, they had to rely on Buff losing which is what happened. You can pretend the Jets had things wrapped up in week 15, but that is not reality.

    No, the Jets don't make the playoffs. That is irrelevant to the fact that Miami eliminated them first. I've answered your question, so can you answer mine? What event happened that mathematically eliminated the Jets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    The Jets 10th win in week 15 did not put the Jets in the playoffs. They needed buff to lose in week 17 to clinch because they were unable to win and get in on their own. The required # for the Jets was 11 wins. If they didn't get 11, they had to rely on Buff losing which is what happened. You can pretend the Jets had things wrapped up in week 15, but that is not reality.

    No, the Jets don't make the playoffs. That is irrelevant to the fact that Miami eliminated them first. I've answered your question, so can you answer mine? What event happened that mathematically eliminated the Jets?
    We didn't have to win another game so essentailly that 10th win in week 15 clinched our spot.

    Obviously the required # was 10 or we wouldn't have made it w/ 10.

    It doesn't matter what came first, the botom line is we don't make the playoffs even if we beat you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    We didn't have to win another game so essentailly that 10th win in week 15 clinched our spot.

    Obviously the required # was 10 or we wouldn't have made it w/ 10.

    It doesn't matter what came first, the botom line is we don't make the playoffs even if we beat you.
    You didn't have to win another game based on what happened in other games that the Jets had no control over. 10 wins was good enough to put the Jets in a spot where they had to rely on Buff losing to make it. If they wanted to get in on their own, 11 wins was the #. Relying on the another team to lose in order to get in is not the same as taking care of business yourself.

    You can't even tell me how the Jets got mathematically eliminated? Bottom line is, you have a problem if you can't admit that the Dolphins eliminated the Jets. The Jets had a chance to get in before they played the Dolphins and had no chance after they lost to them. By definition, that is being eliminated. What happened first is crucial if you are trying to determine how the Jets got eliminated from the playoffs. 1 of two things needed to happen for the Jets to be eliminated. A loss to Miami, or a Tenn win over Hou. Both things happened, so whichever happened first is what eliminated the Jets. In this case, it would be the Jets losing to Miami. The Jets didn't put themselves in position to be eliminated by Tenn via a tie breaker because the Jets couldn't win 9 games and were already eliminated by Miami. It is so simple. You can try to spin it as much as you want, but facts are facts.
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