In more pressing news than the debate over exactly how elite the Jests are NOT under Rex Ryan, the Jests traded beleaguered RT Wayne Hunter and his $2.5 million salary to St Louis in exchange for failed 2009 #2 draft pick RT Jason Smith, his $4 million salary, and his concussion issues.
I am sure that ol' Wayne is LHAO when he thinks of Austin Howard and Jason Smith having to face Mario Williams, Marcell Dareus, and Kyle Williams on Sept 9!
If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. -- John F. Kennedy, January 20, 1961
12-4 ,8-8, and 10-6 in between 2 Super Bowl wins = elite.
9-7, 11-5 and 8-8 with no Super Bowl win or app = not elite.
You like to use the "won 9 or l;ss games" well the Giants only won more 10 once and the year they did it they were one and done w/ a home playoff loss
To me, if you're good enough to make the playoffs, nothing else is relevant looking backwards.