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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The D allowed henne to carve them up, despite missing Braylon for the 1st qtr buttfumble kept leading us to points and gave the D the 8 pt cushion making Miami have to score a TD and get a 2 pt conversion. Miami also got the ball at their 31 w/ less than 2 mins left and the D barely held off Miami. We won b/c of buttfumble and the pass O.
    You won because of buttfumble and the defense stopping Henne when it mattered. As I said. Whose to say Carson Palmer had those same results?

    And never mind just him. What about the other QBs mentioned? Not superior enough b/c they didn't lead their team through the high seas of the NFL and into the all-important AFCCG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    1.5 PPg is still more, right? buttfumble made plays to win games carson palmer did not.

    In clopse games where their teams had a chance:

    palmer:
    bal: led cincy to GW FG
    Cle: failed trailing by 3 w/ 9.5 to play
    TB: failed tied late in loss to TB
    Mia: failed down 8 w/ 11 mins to play
    Pit: failed down 6 w/ 4 mins to plays
    Bal: failed down 6 w/ 11 mins left
    Pit: failed down 6 w/ qtr to play

    successful once, failed 6 times. Not a good ration

    buttfumble:
    Bal: failed w/ 2 shots trailing by 1
    Mia: led late TD to extend lead to 8
    Den: led late TD drive to win by 4
    Det: led GW FG drive in OT
    Cle: GW TD in OT
    Hou: GW TD drive in final seconds
    Pit: tied entering 4th, win by 5
    Indy: led GW FG drive in final seconds

    7 successes, 1 failure but his QB rating wasn't quite as high

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinzN703 View Post
    You won because of buttfumble and the defense stopping Henne when it mattered. As I said. Whose to say Carson Palmer had those same results?

    And never mind just him. What about the other QBs mentioned? Not superior enough b/c they didn't lead their team through the high seas of the NFL and into the all-important AFCCG?
    We won b/c our O scored 31 pts and gave the D a very late 8 pt lead.

    You can keep your stat guys, I'll take the guy who is making plays to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    We won b/c our O scored 31 pts and gave the D a very late 8 pt lead.

    You can keep your stat guys, I'll take the guy who is making plays to win.
    You won b/c the defense held Henne at the end. Had that not and the Dolphins scored 8 pts, who knows what would've happened. It's funny. You'll argue against me when I'm mostly on your side about his. It's just that you can't stand to be equal w/ someone so you do what you can to continue the nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    You can keep your stat guys, I'll take the guy who is making plays to win.
    My stat guys like Rodgers, Brees, Eli Manning, and Brady? Sure! Keep buttfumble all you want. He's won tons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinzN703 View Post

    Keep buttfumble all you want. He's won tons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    We won b/c our O scored 31 pts and gave the D a very late 8 pt lead.

    You can keep your stat guys, I'll take the guy who is making plays to win.
    2010 4th quarter stats:

    Mark buttfumble:
    QBRat: 55.5
    com%: 46.2
    TD: 2
    INT: 4
    yards: 753
    YPA: 5.3

    Carson Palmer:
    QBRat: 77.7
    com%: 59.3
    TD: 9
    INT: 8
    yards: 1223
    YPA: 6.7

    When Behind:

    Mark buttfumble:
    QBRat: 76.5
    com%: 56.0
    TD: 8
    INT: 8
    Yards: 1827
    YPA: 7.3

    Carson Palmer:
    QBRat: 83.7
    Com%: 63.5
    TD: 15
    INT: 11
    Yards: 2469
    YPA: 6.6

    It looks like if you want a QB that is making plays to win in 2010, Palmer would be your guy over buttfumble.
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    And I know how you love to call Schaub a "Fantasy QB" so I looked at the stats:

    2010 4th quarter stats:

    Mark buttfumble:
    QBRat: 55.5
    com%: 46.2
    TD: 2
    INT: 4
    yards: 753
    YPA: 5.3

    Matt Schaub:
    QBRat: 94.8
    Com%: 62.1
    TD: 9
    INT: 3
    Yards: 1372
    YPA: 7.5

    When Behind:

    Mark buttfumble:
    QBRat: 76.5
    com%: 56.0
    TD: 8
    INT: 8
    Yards: 1827
    YPA: 7.3

    Matt Schaub:
    QBRat: 91.7
    COM%: 63.5
    TD: 17
    INT: 10
    Yards: 2993
    YPA: 7.9
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    The D allowed henne to carve them up, despite missing Braylon for the 1st qtr buttfumble kept leading us to points and gave the D the 8 pt cushion making Miami have to score a TD and get a 2 pt conversion. Miami also got the ball at their 31 w/ less than 2 mins left and the D barely held off Miami. We won b/c of buttfumble and the pass O.
    I'll go to my grave screaming that we should have gone for 2 to take a 9 point lead. I don't care what the "book" says. Our defense played like **** all night and was totally gassed on that last drive. Stupid move by Rex not to take the opportunity to win on offense. We could have put the game away with the much better unit that night ... the offense. instead of ending the game right there, we gave the Dolphins an opportunity to break our hearts, and they almost did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Mayabe, our D also blew a ton of games and needed our O to bail them out. Again, you can't just look at #s w/o context.

    It has nothing to do w/ SBs it has to do w/ QB play. They rarely have to play in the elements, it helps their passing #s which the average fan thinks tells us everything we need to know about QB play.



    You are a better fan than this Phinz to post nonsense like this. Oh and you forgot 8 more INTs, 7 less wins, or leading his O to 1.5 less PPG but he had a better rating!



    Let's look at Chad Henne's "comebacks" in 2009:
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=HennCh01

    -vs. NYJ. Trailing 27-24 late, win 31-27
    -vs. TB. Trailing 23-22 late(after he threw an INT to set up TB's lead), win 25-23
    -vs. NE: down 21-19 enetering 4th qtr, win 22-21

    These are comebacks that history will never forget

    Let's compare that to buttfumble's 10 comebacks:
    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...layer=SancMa00

    -at Den: Trailing 20-17, win 24-20. his was like a Henne comeback but at least it was on the road.
    -at Det: Trailing by 10 w/ 3 mins left, leads Jets to 10 pts to send to OT then wins it on first drive of OT
    -at Cle: after D blows 7 pt late lead(and K had missed multiple chip shots), buttfumble gets ball late in OT and wins the game
    -vs. Hou: after D blows 23-7 4th qtr lead, gets the ball at NYJ 28 w/ 55 seconds w/ NO timeouts trailing by 4. Leads Td drive for the win
    -PLAYOFFS at Indy. Trailing by 2 w/ under a min left. gets K in chip shot range to win it.

    See any differences?



    A Bills fan laughing at anyone is the ultimate insult. It should be fun when you disappear from the board when buif starts losing like you always do.
    Only in how you presented it. Detroit gave the game away, the d blows a lead twice and he is down by only 2 or 3 points. When Henne did it you dismissed them because he was down less then 7. You don't apply those rules to buttfumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CallMeDaddy View Post
    2010 4th quarter stats:

    Mark buttfumble:
    QBRat: 55.5
    com%: 46.2
    TD: 2
    INT: 4
    yards: 753
    YPA: 5.3

    Carson Palmer:
    QBRat: 77.7
    com%: 59.3
    TD: 9
    INT: 8
    yards: 1223
    YPA: 6.7

    When Behind:

    Mark buttfumble:
    QBRat: 76.5
    com%: 56.0
    TD: 8
    INT: 8
    Yards: 1827
    YPA: 7.3

    Carson Palmer:
    QBRat: 83.7
    Com%: 63.5
    TD: 15
    INT: 11
    Yards: 2469
    YPA: 6.6

    It looks like if you want a QB that is making plays to win in 2010, Palmer would be your guy over buttfumble.
    You didn't know that b/c the Bengals were 4-12 that none of their games counted nor was there any pressure on them to win? The Jets on the other hand, expectations were sky high so ALL of their games were of the utmost importance.
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