Youíre the one arguing against the existence of God while presupposing He exists, not me. You made an appeal to people making decisions and yet if your atheism were true peopleís decisions would be already pre-determined in accordance to natural law. So you were appealing to something that can only be true if God existed and trying to use it to argue against Godís existence.
You are presenting trap arguments or you are trying to turn debates into traps. Your requirement to presuppose the existence of god before I can argue that he does not exist is a completely wrong use of a presupposition.
No, I was pointing out that you trapped yourself by your own argument. You made an appeal to something that could not be true if atheism were true and yet you were using it to argue for atheism; thatís called a self-refuting argument, I merely pointed out you were using it.
Let's make it easier for the insane. My opinion is that God does not exist, nor has he ever existed, nor will he ever exist. Now you can plaster your version of 'presuppose' where the sun does not shine (presupposition: The sun shines).
Well you are free to have the opinion that God does not exist just as much as someone is free to have the opinion that air doesnít exist, opinions do not prove anything though. As soon as you try arguing that God in fact does not exist you begin to resort to self-refutation exactly like someone who begins trying to argue that air doesnít exist. That is where I must step in and point the self-refutation out.
Sadly you are quite long on assertions and rather short on argumentation, I already gave an example of how Phins_4_Ever was appealing to something that could not be true if his atheism were true, that in itself is an inconsistency, but couple that with the fact that he was appealing to that very thing in order to try and prove his atheism were true and we have ourselves a self-refuting argument. If youíre an atheist you cannot appeal to human decision or choice because there is no room for it in a purely natural universe.
Not exactly, his problem was that he merely made an assertion (only the Universe exists), which doesnít prove anything. So he can either make an assertion which doesnít prove anything either way, or he can try to form an actual argument. The only problem is that logical argumentation relies on presuppositions that can only be true if God exists, so we see the atheist is really in a bind, prove nothing or refute his own position.
ďThe posts this guy comes up with ARE such utter drivel.Ē
Fixed that for you.
Again, you just made another assertion, you can try to make an argument to support your position and I can show you how you presuppose God in the argument or you can continue to stick your fingers in your ears and pretend I am the one ignoring the facts, itís up to you.