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Thread: Tom Brady: The League's Biggest Draft Blunder

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    I watched a documentary on ESPN the other day called The Brady Six. It was interesting how they broke down all the QBs taken before Brady and what coaches thought of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman529 View Post
    If Drew Bledsoe hadn't gotten hurt for the Patriots, who is to say that Tom Brady may not have ended up being like Brady Quinn? Sometimes great QB's get stuck with crappy teams and never amount to much. Sometimes they get stuck with crappy coaches, instead of with a coach like Belichick or Bill Walsh. Lots of things have to go right. Most experts didn't think Brady would turn out to be more than a backup QB in the NFL, but you also cannot measure things like desire and effort, and football intelligence.

    Couple of things here... First of all, most of the football people inside the Patriots organization felt like Tom Brady had outplayed Bledsoe in training camp and earned the job to begin with, long before Mo Lewis hit Bledsoe and had his lungs filling up with blood.

    Brady Quinn is a great example of the Notre Dame hype job, not an example of a great QB prospect. He padded his stats against the Service Academies, but was completely outmatched against a legitimate defense (LSU). If you watched Brady Quinn, it should've been obvious that he was too bulky and muscular in the upper body. It made his delivery stiff and rigid. He wasn't comfortable throwing into tight coverage because of his scattershot ball placement, and uncomfortable throwing with bodies around him in a muddy pocket. Brady Quinn wasn't even a great college quarterback, much less a great pro prospect.

    Tom Brady was a different story. He set several Michigan school passing records despite only starting for what amounts to almost 2 years, and having to split time with Drew Henson. The reason Tom Brady fell to the 6th round was largely attributed to the way Lloyd Carr handled his QB situation. Brady did everything from a tangible quarterback perspective virtually textbook. It was all the little things and fine details of the position that he had already mastered. From an intangible perspective, he was one of the most clutch quarterbacks that has ever played college football. Week after week, game after game, 4th quarter comeback after 4th quarter quarterback.... he made it undeniable.

    I watched him nearly lead Michigan to another come from behind win vs. Nick Saban's undefeated Michigan St. team in 1999. Michigan St. won the game due in large part to an amazing performance by Plaxico Burress' 255 yard outburst on offense, and Saban's complex schemes having Drew Henson's head spinning.

    With Michigan State up 27-10, Lloyd Carr decided to go with Brady at QB and he almost brought Michigan all the way back. He finished 30 of 41 with 2 touchdowns and went 18 for 20 on the last two drives. He made David Terrell a top-10 pick. Brady threw every type of pass, long and short, touch and power. He was under tremendous pressure from Saban's defense, the same defense that has made nearly every quarterback wilt that had to face it, including Drew Brees when he was at Purdue.

    The purpose of this thread was to give all those that didn't watch Tom Brady in college the understanding of exactly how brilliant Tom Brady played the quarterback position in college, and realize that this kid was never supposed to fall that far. It was a blunder by the entire league and its "experts".

    The Patriots indeed were lucky that Brady was still available in the 6th round, but they weren't necessarly lucky that Tom Brady was a great quarterback. He was already great.

    If anyone can sit down long enough to watch all this footage of Tom Brady and still come away with the assumption that he was a 6th round quarterback prospect, they might as well give up. You cannot play the position any better than he played it, or lead any better than he did at Michigan. His situational understanding of the game was far beyond what you see in college quarterbacks throughout the last decade, with only a few exceptions, mainly Eli Manning, john beck, and Andrew Luck.

    Folks should be able to understand the differences between how Tom Brady played the position in college, and the way 98% of the college quarterbacks who came after him played it.... including numerous QB's who were inexplicably drafted in the 1st round. You couldn't have given a better example than Brady Quinn.
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    Any way we can trade for this guy?
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    Without the famous "tuck call" you may be suggesting something completely different - This is an easy run at revisionist history but what the hay

    1. It was a blown call that gave the Pats some belief and momentuim and belief and momentum is a powerful tool in pro sports - period we watch it every year with March Madness so then with a proper ruling who knows what might have happened to the Pats as a team looked beaten and would have faded out of the POs - Sure he still may have been a great passer, and very likley so, but he wouldn't necessarily be mentioned in the same breath as Montana

    2. It is widely suspected that this "Spy Gate" was about how the D aligned against their O - and it was a super advantage over the Rams in the Superbowl, I mean heck if the QB knows what the D is going to that's a huge part of the battle right there

    And while many of the NFL fans have forgiven and forgotten I know one former player not so gracious he would like to see an asterik next that SB win (I am confident there are others)

    3. Funny thing is even with the Pats soft schedules - Brady hasn't won the SB since Spy Gate - yet he has been to the dance (so we have to tip our hat to that) I wouldn't blame him for the last Pats loss but he was rattled from the openning drive and he sailed one to an over extended Welker that would have salted the game away -
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    Quote Originally Posted by rev kev View Post
    Without the famous "tuck call" you may be suggesting something completely different - This is an easy run at revisionist history but what the hay

    1. It was a blown call that gave the Pats some belief and momentuim and belief and momentum is a powerful tool in pro sports - period we watch it every year with March Madness so then with a proper ruling who knows what might have happened to the Pats as a team looked beaten and would have faded out of the POs - Sure he still may have been a great passer, and very likley so, but he wouldn't necessarily be mentioned in the same breath as Montana

    2. It is widely suspected that this "Spy Gate" was about how the D aligned against their O - and it was a super advantage over the Rams in the Superbowl, I mean heck if the QB knows what the D is going to that's a huge part of the battle right there

    And while many of the NFL fans have forgiven and forgotten I know one former player not so gracious he would like to see an asterik next that SB win (I am confident there are others)

    3. Funny thing is even with the Pats soft schedules - Brady hasn't won the SB since Spy Gate - yet he has been to the dance (so we have to tip our hat to that) I wouldn't blame him for the last Pats loss but he was rattled from the openning drive and he sailed one to an over extended Welker that would have salted the game away -

    This thread has nothing to do with any of that. Thus the reason for taking the time to place video of his play in COLLEGE here for hard-headed excuse makers like you to see exactly what type of quarterback he was before he ever took a snap. Belichick and spygate is for an NFL thread in an NFL forum, not here. There was no Belichick or Spygate at Michigan... he had Lloyd Carr.

    Brady's accomplishments and statistics in the NFL are causational like all statistics and accomplishments are. None of it has anything to do with the type of quarterback prospect he was coming out of Michigan, which is what the purpose of this thread is. It has nothing to do with the Patriots or Bill Belichick or jaded points of view from Dolphin fans who've had to withstand a decade of being reamed out by him. It's not about any of that.

    Rather, it's about trying to understand how the entire NFL missed out on one of the most clutch college quarterbacks that has ever been placed right under their noses. This guy wasn't losing games to the Appalachian St.'s like Chad Henne was.... he was leading comeback after comeback against the best defensive minds in football and throttling Heisman Trophy candidates and future HOF'ers like Drew Brees every Saturday. It's not a coincidence that one is going to the Hall of Fame and the other is a journeyman backup. Brady had to overcome his own head coach and his strange obsession with Drew Henson, and saved his job several times in spite of it.

    The NFL missed on Tom Brady before he ever took a snap in New England, which is the point of this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rev kev View Post
    Without the famous "tuck call" you may be suggesting something completely different - This is an easy run at revisionist history but what the hay

    1. It was a blown call that gave the Pats some belief and momentuim and belief and momentum is a powerful tool in pro sports - period we watch it every year with March Madness so then with a proper ruling who knows what might have happened to the Pats as a team looked beaten and would have faded out of the POs - Sure he still may have been a great passer, and very likley so, but he wouldn't necessarily be mentioned in the same breath as Montana

    2. It is widely suspected that this "Spy Gate" was about how the D aligned against their O - and it was a super advantage over the Rams in the Superbowl, I mean heck if the QB knows what the D is going to that's a huge part of the battle right there

    And while many of the NFL fans have forgiven and forgotten I know one former player not so gracious he would like to see an asterik next that SB win (I am confident there are others)

    3. Funny thing is even with the Pats soft schedules - Brady hasn't won the SB since Spy Gate - yet he has been to the dance (so we have to tip our hat to that) I wouldn't blame him for the last Pats loss but he was rattled from the openning drive and he sailed one to an over extended Welker that would have salted the game away -
    You have to consider that Brady was a ridicuously lucky catch in 07 way from another SB, and very close to yet another last year, right? Its not quite the whole truth to simply say Brady hasnt won a SB since to make a point about his greatness.

    Like it or not he has been to 5 SB and won 3.




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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    This thread has nothing to do with any of that. Thus the reason for taking the time to place video of his play in COLLEGE here for hard-headed excuse makers like you to see exactly what type of quarterback he was before he ever took a snap. Belichick and spygate is for an NFL thread in an NFL forum, not here. There was no Belichick or Spygate at Michigan... he had Lloyd Carr.

    Brady's accomplishments and statistics in the NFL are causational like all statistics and accomplishments are. None of it has anything to do with the type of quarterback prospect he was coming out of Michigan, which is what the purpose of this thread is. It has nothing to do with the Patriots or Bill Belichick or jaded points of view from Dolphin fans who've had to withstand a decade of being reamed out by him. It's not about any of that.

    Rather, it's about trying to understand how the entire NFL missed out on one of the most clutch college quarterbacks that has ever been placed right under their noses. This guy wasn't losing games to the Appalachian St.'s like Chad Henne was.... he was leading comeback after comeback against the best defensive minds in football and throttling Heisman Trophy candidates and future HOF'ers like Drew Brees every Saturday. It's not a coincidence that one is going to the Hall of Fame and the other is a journeyman backup. Brady had to overcome his own head coach and his strange obsession with Drew Henson, and saved his job several times in spite of it.

    The NFL missed on Tom Brady before he ever took a snap in New England, which is the point of this thread.
    Carr's obsession with Henson was... complicated. Dude was the best QB prospect to go to Michigan in a long time and had all the tools you look for in a QB... but he was also a good baseball prospect. Most Michigan fans (and as I pointed out before Carr himself) believes that had Brady not been pulled for Henson, Carr would have won another National Title. Of course, a lot of people believe had Henson not decided to go the baseball route Michigan would have won a National title as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChambersWI View Post
    Carr's obsession with Henson was... complicated. Dude was the best QB prospect to go to Michigan in a long time and had all the tools you look for in a QB... but he was also a good baseball prospect. Most Michigan fans (and as I pointed out before Carr himself) believes that had Brady not been pulled for Henson, Carr would have won another National Title. Of course, a lot of people believe had Henson not decided to go the baseball route Michigan would have won a National title as well
    Im a huge Yankees fan so I can relate to any Michigan fan's frustrations with Henson. The guy was considered our elite blue chip prospect for years but just never quite put it together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerdolphin View Post
    Im a huge Yankees fan so I can relate to any Michigan fan's frustrations with Henson. The guy was considered our elite blue chip prospect for years but just never quite put it together.
    The thing is, after Brady left, Henson looked amazing. 16 TDs and 4 INTs. Strong arm, fast, athletic. After his junior year many believed that Henson would be the favorite to be the Heisman winner his senior season and the first overall pick. Hell Charlie Casserly, who was named the Texans first GM, stated after watching Henson against Ohio State that he would be the number 1 pick for the Houston Texans if he had stayed with football rather than David Carr (and he liked him so much he obtained his draft rights to use in a trade).

    Many truly believe that if Henson didn't leave, he would've been an all time great QB both at Michigan and in the NFL. Instead, we got John Navarre.
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    Glad some of these videos are still up.. definitely going to have to watch a few.
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