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    I could see Jeff Ireland liking Margus Hunt and I could even see Kevin Coyle liking him too if he really does like Jared Odrick at end. But I still feel there's something missing.

    Hunt had an extraordinary game in the Hawaii Bowl...against 6'4" and 290 lbs FRESHMAN Alex Fifita (recognize the name?). Fifita's not just a freshman, he's a small-ish freshman that wasn't even on many schools' radar as a recruit. MaxPreps had him as the 735th ranked recruit...in California.

    Hunt's frame, athletic ability and strength give him the promise of dominating like a J.J. Watt dominates. You watch J.J. Watt look like a man among boys out there, how big and strong he is, what a great frame, etc...and then you watch Margus Hunt, and even if they weren't the same skin color you'd see resemblance in the frame and potential for physical dominance. But Watt has, and always did have, so much better flexibility, balance, pad level, awareness...all the things that make you not just Ivan Drago trying to play defensive end, but actually a great football player.

    I get genuinely worried about Margus Hunt because he's not very good against the run. You get worried he's going to be some kind of contradiction as a player. With his size a Kevin Coyle (and just about every other defensive coordinator) is going to look at him and say OK, he's a closed end type that reduces to the inside on pass rush downs. But that means he's a run stopper for at least half the time. Being so big and strong that should be fine. But being so aggressive, off-balance, not wholly aware, inflexible and raw...maybe that's not fine after all because I don't really consider him good against the run even in college. And at the same time, what if that raw combo size/athleticism isn't enough to make him a compelling pass rusher against NFL left and right tackles as opposed to freshman 290 lbs no-star prospects like Alex Fifita? Your backup plan is to put him at defensive tackle. But oh wait, bad pad level, awareness, flexibility, bad run stopper...just a pure gap penetrating tackle prone to ending up on the carpet. What use is that?

    In short, I get worried that at the NFL level you've got a rotational defensive lineman whose largest impact comes on special teams as a kick blocker.
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    Isn't Margus Hunt similar in size to Calais Campbell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by datruth55 View Post
    Isn't Margus Hunt similar in size to Calais Campbell?
    yes he is...but on the edge is where hunt imo will thrive in the pros...he's definitely not as fluid or cod gifted as jj watt and he's definitely one that the pad level an leverage is gonna be a problem with but you can't tell me that guy doesn't have edge rush tools that cant translate at the next level...heck just use him at odricks end spot in the nickle as the rusher opposite wake when you kick odrick inside...those pass rush tools are way better than any 280 lb guy off the edge i've seen...

    why can't he be a situational edge rusher with the potential to kick inside in a nickle rotation as he molds his game??? i don't see why not...

    when i said jj watt i meant mainly measurables he's not the same kind of player nor do i envision him being that way...but what he does have and i mean it pops off the screen is for that size rediculous get off and burst off the edge...i guess we'll see how he fares at the senior bowl...i think he'll give guys fits on the edge in one on ones and team pass rush reps

    i'd be drafted that kid to get me off the field on 3rd down initially...same thing i'd be drafting mingo for...just at a much higher cost cause his gifts are rediculous cod and hips wise and he moves like a gazelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by datruth55 View Post
    Isn't Margus Hunt similar in size to Calais Campbell?
    Calais was even bigger at 6'8" and 290 lbs. Margus is 6'7" and 270 lbs.
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    Jared Odrick doesn't play opposite Cam Wake in nickel packages very often if at all. He already kicks inside.

    The Senior Bowl will be a big test for Margus Hunt. Going against good players has the potential to expose him a little bit. If you're a one-trick pony that trick ought to be really good else you never get on the field.

    I remember watching him against real NFL caliber prospects in the SMU-Texas A&M game and coming away fairly unimpressed as a pass rusher. Looking like a totally dominating force against 290 lbs freshman no-star prospect Alex Fifita isn't going outweigh that. It figures into it some but doesn't outweigh it.

    I just doubt that Hunt has the knee bend, balance or flexibility to consistently make an impact as a pass rusher from the outside.
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    b/t i didn't pay much attention to who he was up against with fresno and i really don't care...i paid attention to how he got off the ball and what he did after the initial burst at that size...and it was next level impressive...now a part of me wonders how he'll fare against more athletic lts in the pros cause he's been wrecking right tackles and cam wake will get his choice of who to rush against but for my money despite that size he's got get off and initial burst that only mingo can match...

    now if you want to see him wreck another tackle take a look at the pitt game...
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    This isn't the Texas A&M game that I was talking about (I was talking about the 2012 game) but this is still relevant as Margus was at this point a junior whereas Jake Matthews and Luke Joeckel were sophomores.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBBKibXTrs

    Margus Hunt has always been very physically impressive. It shows in all the blocked kicks he has under his belt. But in the NFL he'll run into guys that are physically impressive AND have good hand technique, awareness, pad level, knee bend, flexibility and balance. I'm not sure yet he's going to develop those things, especially the flexibility and balance. He can get and already has gotten better with his hands, more brutal, very strong and knocks people back a lot...but I don't know that he's got the flexibility or awareness to finish plays.
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    i watched that a & m game also and yeah he did nothing...i think that was a yea ago also and i think he's a better football player now...imo his best footballs in front of him...and lets face it those a & m tackles are legit...he got moved out of the hole and off the ball all over the place...but hey mingo and montgomery looked bad against those a & m tackles this year also

    as for the odrick thing i meant when he's kicked inside in the nickle i'd be inclined to give hunt those edge rush reps opposite wake...i just think edge wise he's got an awful lot going for him
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    i can understand the flexibility and awareness argument...flexibility wise i've seen him be dead to rights closing on the qb and for whatever reason the slightest movement that makes him have to open his hips and change course and it seems like he's always reaching for guys and barely touching them etc and these aren't high end elusive athletes either...i think if he's got you in a confined space he'll finish if you however have ground to make moves he's in trouble...he'll flush you he may not finish though unless you're bottled up

    i can see the concerns but you know if he doesn't pan out just like any other guy i'll cut him in a few years...not like the cap would kill me either way...i'm just betting on the edge rush abilities and i believe on 3rd down he can split some things on the inside if kicked in there and finish
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    The Senior Bowl will be a good test. He's so big and strong and brutal he's a guy you want to like, but as I said before...something missing.
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