hey thirteen give me your list of prospects you would target if you were miami off your to date study and where you place their value???
hoops scoops 2012 season ..."in 2014 ryan tannehill etches his name in stone amongst the games elite qbs"..."ryan tannehill and andrew luck will carry the afc for the next decade plus the way peyton manning and tom brady have this last decade plus"
But, for some reason, I seem to have an OK hit rate over the last couple of seasons, so it has encouraged me to look at more guys. I'll give you my impressions on the guys I've looked at and can't promise my back up will be as detailed as you and the other draft lunatics would produce. As for draft grades, I'll have a stab at it, but I find it such a dark art that nothing would surprise me as to where players end up going. Especially this year, where I really don't feel there's as big a dropoff as you go through the first three rounds as usual. Few elite players and a lot of good-to-great players.
I'll come back to you.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. - S. Beckett
anyways that's a little bit of how i roll with it i guess...
I think Milliner, Trufant and Banks are all gone in the first round. Milliner is likely gone before our pick, I've read Tampa Bay already loves Banks and wants to use their first rounder on him, and Trufant has showed really well this week and made himself a first round pick, thats what I'm reading a lot of NFL executives are now thinking. So if we want a guy in the second, it'll unlikely be any of those.
What do you guys think of Mike Gillislee? Looks like a good replacement for Reggie who can play all three downs to me..... could be good value if we can get him with say one of our third rounders .....
Miami just needs to play this smart.
You need a pass rusher, top pass rusher are usually top 15 picks . . . there is handful that are probably worth this year, take care of it.
You need a CB, there is a handful that could be around in that first 2nd round pick (Trufant, Poyer, Rhodes, the Rutgers kid) . . . address it.
You need WRs, there is a gauntlet of guys that will be in the 50 to 80 range that Miami can look at with those next 3 picks.
Miami can really address some needs in this draft and still get great value because of where they are selecting.
Patterson - nothing to say that hasn't been said by others. While he's not totally raw, you just have to look at how long a WCO WR like Gaffney took to break into the Miami lineup to wonder if Patterson would see the field in Year 1. I'm ok with that, would the Firelanders be? Top 20.
Bailey - the consummate technician in this draft. A TD machine even at his height because he can get separation in the tightest of spaces. Pick 30-45
Hopkins - this kid is a great all rounder. Great after the catch, which we need badly, but very solid across the board. He abused LSU's vaunted defense in the bowl game, even after Watkins got injured and he became the focus of the defense. Pick 30-45
Wheaton - another good technician. I haven't seen the drops issue others report and I don't think he dropped many if any at the Senior Bowl practices. Faster than Bailey, but very similar in their route running and competitive streak. Pick 45-60
Patton- good get-off and great stutter steps and double moves to wrong foot defenders. Takes a lot of lousy dumped off screen passes and turns them into 8-10 yard gains with YAC ability. Speed looks good, seems composed. My question is around how comfortable he is at catching the ball away from his body. Pick 50-75
King- I like this guy a lot. I know he's been inconsistent but I think he's worth a gamble in the late third, because is skill set is higher than that.
Woods I like as a technician who has a good TD record. But his ankle has to check out for him to be worth anything higher than pick 60.
I'd take Stills bottom of the third, Swope about the same. Darrin Moore of Texas Tech in the 6th.
Not a fan of Hunter (awful technique, maybe uncoachable), Allen (diva receiver concerns, great energy but no subtlety), Dobson (like him but not for our WCO), Williams (soft).
My ideal 1-2 in the draft would be Patterson and Bailey. I'd take King and Wheaton if we used our first 2 picks on other positions.
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Eifert - I know he's not the quickest and people wonder if he'll be as explosive as some other more "fashionable" tight ends, but that kid knows how to dominate space and haul the ball in. I'm only interested in offensive players in this draft who can work in the compressed confines of the redzone and Eifert is all that and more. A solid blocker and a workhorse who will raise the game of players around him. Pick 26-35.
Toilolo - the dreaded "potential" word. But this kid could be amazing. Huge. Athletic. Powerful blocker. Great hands. Low pad level for such a monster. Pick 40-60.
Escobar - I've seen a very limited amount of this kid but he's an athlete, who will test well in the Combine and show off speed, agility and hands. Pick 75-100
Gragg - more of a hybrid h-back type, but if he was 3" taller, he'd be a second rounder. 4th round.
Fauria is what we should have gotten with Egnew. Can't block if his life depended on it but a big receiving threat. 4th round.
Jake Stoneburner - Ohio St.s bowl ban and Jake's erratic season at WR will be someone's huge gain. He's a TE, not a receiver. I think he has the whole package. 3rd best TE in the draft, IMO. I'd take him in the third, but he'll be available in the 5th or 6th as far as I can tell.
I think Ertz is a show pony. Not a baller. Concentration lapses, halfhearted blocker, drops. I'll pass.
Hoops who is on your short list at 12? Personally I think its pretty hard to gauge until we see how FA shakes out..but just wondering. Im starting to think Banks is going to be a very real possibility if we let Smith walk (Milliner if he's there but Im guessing he is gone). He gets beat a bit too much for me...but his length, physical tools, and ball skills are all well above average in my opinion.
I've looked briefly at a lot of guys. I like Taylor and Gillislee, but only really took notes on two small schoolers, who I was very impressed with.
Miguel Maysonet of Stony Brook. This kid is awesome. Great vision, relishes the contact, low centre of gravity, good pad level. His ability to find gaps with his quick feet - without losing forward momentum- is top level. His stats are staggering - almost 2000 yds on 267 carries and 21 TDs last season. And if you think he was just beating up small school weeds, take a look at his game against 'Cuse. http://www.youtube.com/#/watch?v=CCW3sKo20rs
The other guy is Benny Cunningham of MIddle Tenn St. Big thighs and glutes, this kid just plows through holes and tough **** if you're in the way or hanging out of him. Tore his patella tendon, but word is he'll be fit in time to have a pro day. I'd rank him in the 5th, but with the injury and small school status, he'll prob go UDFA. Small taste: http://youtube.com/#/watch?v=0rHbdwGWWEE
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