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    this isn't gonna matter for this upcoming draft but wr sammy watkins looks like he put on some good muscle weight this offseason...thicker but with the same explosion...nice looking damn player right there
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    watching lsu auburn the tigers play another de on some early downs in the rotation #89 edwards who's not a bad player in his own right by the way but mingo is just a different level from everyone else on the field...standing up or with a hand in the dirt this kids beautiful...i'm pounding the table for this kid...his pass rush talents and athleticism and length and the way he looks standing up and redirecting in space is phenomenal...might be the bpa in the draft period...he's like a more athletic looking aldon smith...more upside also

    i don't care that the guy will be a liability against the run as a 43 de maybe while he gains weight...bruce irvin went #15 overall and he was light in the pants and not half the physical size specimen this kid is...but mingos gonna test as well if not better

    this kids also gonna rock it in stand up lb drills at the combine which means imo 34 or 43 teams will covet him...i can't imagine what that guy would be with 15 lbs of good weight as a 43 end...scary stuff...just a freak as it is

    Mingo would be Corey Lemonier with 15 pounds of good weight. I don't see how anybody could watch the LSU/Auburn and not see that there were two better defensive ends on the field in Lemonier and Montgomery.

    I don't see how anybody could've watched any of LSU's games this year and not see that Sam Montgomery is a better player and it's not even up for debate.

    Although I do understand your point about Bruce Irvin.... the difference with Irvin being you're talking about a kid who finished 2nd in the entire country with 14 sacks as a Junior despite playing only on 3rd downs. Mingo still doesn't have a sack through 4 games and has only been in on 1 tackle in the last 2 games. He hasn't sacked a quarterback since the Arkansas game last year.

    Mingo has hit a wall in his development and it can only be due to a few reasons. He'll always be athletic.
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    i can understand where someone would say that lemonier and montgomery are better de's than mingo at this point...they're definitely better all around players...montgomerys a little stiff to me but as a 43 de i don't see it as an issue...but what i will absolutely disagree on is that either of those guys have the same level explosion and burst abilities and pass rush upside and football upside period as barkevious mingo...i don't really care if anyone agrees with me on it either...i'll fly solo just fine...

    anyways i'm trying to look at draft upgrades/fixes for our dolphins roster right now... most of my attention has been spent on it in looking at college players...and imo barkevious mingo makes a from the jump situational pass rush impact as a pro...a win pass rusher against nfl tackles imo...all the tools to be elite...a top physical talent well worth our 1st round pick wherever it falls...but very likely never to get to us after he blows the doors off the combine with that length that acceleration that long speed those hips and cod...and leaves nfl personnel with their jaws on the floor...
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    took a look at justin hunter...left me a little underwhelmed...talent and physical abilities are undeniable...serious explosion there...but very raw...route running needs a lot of work...some ugly looking routes...doesn't mean the kid won't be a monster...but he needs someone to teach him how to run routes...comin off an acl last year also...

    his teammate patterson is a body catcher...not a natural hands catcher...everything gets into the body...i bet he'll fight the ball with his hands...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    took a look at justin hunter...left me a little underwhelmed...talent and physical abilities are undeniable...serious explosion there...but very raw...route running needs a lot of work...some ugly looking routes...doesn't mean the kid won't be a monster...but he needs someone to teach him how to run routes...

    his teammate patterson is a body catcher...not a natural hands catcher...everything gets into the body...i bet he'll fight the ball with his hands...
    Which game did you look at? I haven't been impressed with Hunter in the two games I saw but I was impressed with Patterson in the Florida game. He had an OK game against NCST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by datruth55 View Post
    Which game did you look at? I haven't been impressed with Hunter in the two games I saw but I was impressed with Patterson in the Florida game. He had an OK game against NCST.
    i've looked at both those games...i think they play georgia this week unless i'm mistaken...i'm gonna look at that one also...hunter is explosive but raw...doesn't press dbs before his cuts in his routes...doesn't sell things well but he's such a high end gifted explosion athlete in college at least he doesn't have to...i like his hands though...a couple drops i seen but that was more about not getting his head around quick enough imo...tyler bray i don't get all the hype there either...he throws more off his back foot than anyone i'd care to have playing under center...talented but also you can tell sometimes he's just throwing it up for grabs...and the kids a straight up punk...needs to have someone take him down a few notches...

    patterson doesn't get much separation...but he's got pretty good ball awareness...and again i'm having a hard time seeing this kid hand catch anything...bread and butter seems to be slant routes but he'll catch in traffic...saw some back shoulder stuff to him that imo was all about bray and not much about the route being run...just perfectly placed back shoulder darts
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    there was a te #11 for florida named reed who i thought was interesting...but he looked like he's probably undersized and that was my first exposure...anyways i thought he showed some things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    i've looked at both those games...i think they play georgia this week unless i'm mistaken...i'm gonna look at that one also...hunter is explosive but raw...doesn't press dbs before his cuts in his routes...doesn't sell things well but he's such a high end gifted explosion athlete in college at least he doesn't have to...i like his hands though...a couple drops i seen but that was more about not getting his head around quick enough imo...tyler bray i don't get all the hype there either...he throws more off his back foot than anyone i'd care to have playing under center...talented but also you can tell sometimes he's just throwing it up for grabs...and the kids a straight up punk...needs to have someone take him down a few notches...

    patterson doesn't get much separation...but he's got pretty good ball awareness...and again i'm having a hard time seeing this kid hand catch anything...bread and butter seems to be slant routes but he'll catch in traffic...saw some back shoulder stuff to him that imo was all about bray and not much about the route being run...just perfectly placed back shoulder darts
    Don't like Bray, never have. Think he's got a bad attitude...worse than Jay Cutler without as much talent. I was impressed with Patterson in the way he fought for the ball in traffic and won...not much separation, you're right there but with a guy in his pocket he was still strong enough to come up with the catch.

    I would prefer to stay away from those high end, athletic WRs that can't run routes. More often than not they never seem to get it in the NFL and with an offense like ours where the routes are so important I'd rather go another direction. We don't need another Carl Pickens from Tennessee in the NFL...at least not in Miami.
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    Quote Originally Posted by datruth55 View Post
    Don't like Bray, never have. Think he's got a bad attitude...worse than Jay Cutler without as much talent. I was impressed with Patterson in the way he fought for the ball in traffic and won...not much separation, you're right there but with a guy in his pocket he was still strong enough to come up with the catch.

    I would prefer to stay away from those high end, athletic WRs that can't run routes. More often than not they never seem to get it in the NFL and with an offense like ours where the routes are so important I'd rather go another direction. We don't need another Carl Pickens from Tennessee in the NFL...at least not in Miami.
    Especially in the first round or two. I see some really good things with Hunter, but I just don't see him in the same class as Allen, Wilson, or Woods. Physical talent wise he is better, but as a player right now he is not. If we are going to draft a WR early I want a polished player who is going to come in and make an impact immediately. We can't afford to wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by datruth55 View Post
    Don't like Bray, never have. Think he's got a bad attitude...worse than Jay Cutler without as much talent. I was impressed with Patterson in the way he fought for the ball in traffic and won...not much separation, you're right there but with a guy in his pocket he was still strong enough to come up with the catch.

    I would prefer to stay away from those high end, athletic WRs that can't run routes. More often than not they never seem to get it in the NFL and with an offense like ours where the routes are so important I'd rather go another direction. We don't need another Carl Pickens from Tennessee in the NFL...at least not in Miami.
    people either love Bray or hate him. I got a kick out of him during his freshmen year with his X celebration.
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