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    Hah. You want to talk about validation of a theory? This is validation of a theory:

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-early-for-nfl

    Syracuse coach Doug Marrone is acutely aware of the challenges Matt Barkley presents heading into Saturday's game against top-ranked USC in the New York College Classic.

    Last October, Barkley shredded the Orange secondary with 324 yards and five touchdowns. During Monday's Big East coaches' teleconference, Marrone indicated that Barkley, not Robert Griffin III, would have been considered the top quarterback in last April's NFL Draft alongside Andrew Luck.

    I was one of a couple people that was hoping he'd go on to the NFL, Marrone said. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I'm happy he's back.

    Saturday's game will be played at MetLife Stadium, home of the New York Giants and Jets.

    Besides being impressed by Barkley's intangibles, Marrone raved about Barkley's pocket presence and patience. Unlike many college quarterbacks Barkley excels in checking down to his backs when his downfield targets are covered, Marrone said. Barkley connected with his running backs four times in last season's 38-17 win over Syracuse.

    If he doesn't like what's going on when they (take away) the deep vertical threats, he can come right back to the backs, Marrone said. That's one of the things you see with the top guys in the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    Hah. You want to talk about validation of a theory? This is validation of a theory:

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-early-for-nfl
    How likely do you think Marrone will take Barkley with the Bills top pick?

    Edit: Never mind, I just saw your previous post. I do think the Bills will take a QB and early on I was thinking maybe Tyler Wilson but his senior season along with what I saw in the Senior Bowl has dropped him down pretty far on my board. I still think he has a lot of tools to develop but I don't think he's ready and may take a year or two to work everything out.
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    Speaking of guys who may be available at 12, I think these three players are head and shoulders above the rest of the pack. With any of the other guys we're looking at, I think we're talking about guys who haven't yet put it together in a way that makes you confident that they will excel in the NFL (not that they could, but that they will) or guys who don't have ceilings that compare to these three (or some combination of the two).

    Banks, though, is interesting. With Coyle's DB background and Banks physical tools, I can see that working.

    I've completely moved off Patterson at 12. I still wouldn't hate the pick. I'd be excited, but I would be very nervous, and I think you can add a lot of explosiveness by using either two 2nd's or a 2nd and a 3rd - assuming you pick the right guys. I'd much rather have Johnson/Cooper/Warmack/Banks, Robert Woods, and Markus Wheaton than any combination I can put together that starts with Patterson at 12.
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    I'd be mostly excited by picking Patterson at 12. But I don't think he's as likely as Banks or Milliner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    You know, I also go back to Hard Knocks. Jeff Ireland is on the phone with Ryan Grigson about Vontae Davis. He's hemming and hawing about the trade demanding a better price. One of the things he said is "I'm reluctant, because then that means I have to go out and get another one."

    Says it all, to me. He knew the trade of Vontae created a hole on the roster that he had not filled by giving Richard Marshall a 3 year, $16 million contract. He knew that he would have to turn around and draft a corner high in 2013. I think Johnthan Banks at #12 overall is fairly likely to be that guy.
    So if we go CB with the 12th, and most likely grab WR's or WR/TE in the 2nd round, which OLinemen and pass rushers are likely to be there in the 3rd and later rounds?
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    If we're set on a corner, do you think Jeff trades up for Millner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by me4mvp View Post
    If we're set on a corner, do you think Jeff trades up for Millner?
    Not if Ireland and Co. don't think Banks is a significant drop off from Milliner. Or maybe if they like Trufant a lot, they'll look to move down a bit and see if they can land him lower and get another draft pick in the later rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ckparrothead View Post
    I'm with you on Barkley. I think he's a player that's down in the dumps publicly but I wonder if that's the case with the teams. I would especially think that when the coaching staffs start to get involved in the process, he would rise a little bit because they'll be able to appreciate how technically sound he is. But I guess that can also go both ways. Some coaches are even more a slave to physical impressiveness than scouts and personnel evaluators, because they think so highly of themselves as coaches they think they can teach a guy to play the game the right way.

    I have Barkley going to the Bills. I think he's the kind of quarterback Doug Marrone appreciates. Marrone's Orangemen have actually played Barkley twice, in 2011 and 2012. Barkley didn't have his best game in 2011, or in 2012 for that matter...but if you're a coach you like to think that your game plans had something to do with that. In preparation for the game you probably do a lot of film study and I think there's a fair chance he's going to be impressed by that film work.

    I don't know what the Jets are going to do. The obvious decision would seem to be for them to trade a mid round pick to the Seahawks for Matt Flynn. Their GM Idzik was part of the front office staff that signed Flynn, and furthermore Matt Flynn would seem to fit in with Rex Ryan's expectation that they're going to pull in "competition" for Mark Sanchez. What's left unsaid when he talks about "competition" for Sanchez is that it means he doesn't want to completely scrap Sanchez (as they should) and start over with a new guy they're betting the franchise on. Matt Flynn would give them a way to accomplish all that and the Seahawks are pretty smart to make it known that they're not cutting Flynn and that if you want him you've got to trade for him.
    For some reason, I think I could stomach Barkley going to the Bills more than the Jets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrowDaTD View Post
    Not if Ireland and Co. don't think Banks is a significant drop off from Milliner. Or maybe if they like Trufant a lot, they'll look to move down a bit and see if they can land him lower and get another draft pick in the later rounds.
    personally i don't see the value when you have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds of trading down with that top pick...take the bpa on your board at a need position...ireland says he doesn't go by need when he drafts but i can tell thats bunk...some of his picks have screamed need pick the last few years...

    if trufants a top 12 worthy bpa take him there...if he's the bpa on your board and corners a need pounce...the only way i would entertain trading down at #12 when i had all those picks already is if my grade b/t the top guy on my board at that time and say thru my next 10 still available guys was very very close...and even then i'd have a hard time agreeing to it...this team needs difference making legitimate quality not quantity...don't let others dictate or leave yourself in the hands of others...if it's there in front of you run the card up...
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    With the Texas vs the Nation game tomorrow, a guy worth looking at is FIU's Tourek Williams. I noticed him while watching Cyprien and made a note to look into him more. Not a fully developed pass rusher off the edge, in that he lacks those violent hands to get off blocks. But he has a good get-off, plenty of routes to the QB - particularly at dipping under the block. Patient in his choice of route, FIU lines him up at DT and DE and he picks his hole and his timing to rush cleverly. Gets his hands up when the sack isn't on. Good play-reader who can adjust quickly to the ball.

    Very good motor, he takes good angles in run pursuit and they ask him to drop into coverage a fair bit - which he does with decent fluidity for a guy of his size (6'4" claimed - he looks a little shorter to me).

    Needs beefing up. Needs work on his hands, but as a late-rounder I think he has value as a depth guy with some versatility.

    Here he is against FAU. He got a sack here that was a wide-open run to the QB, but combined for another sack and was a disruptive presence everywhere. A QB pressure should have led to a pick and ended up being a TD for FAU.

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