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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    They weren't great which was why they were hosting a WC game instead of the usual of having homefield throughout. What does that have to do w/ the jets history?

    don't get upset b/c you have been exposed.



    That's not my argument at all, I have never said sanchez will be a top 5 QB but please keep making stuff up.
    You know growing up my father used to say “there’s no point in arguing with a fool, because a fool is too stupid to know that they are a fool.” After many years of thinking about it, and now reading your posts I’ve come to completely understand him. Thank you for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    do you know why you found that? b/c he was asked the question by a radio host who knows nothing about football and Eli declared himself elite so that topic came up prior to last season. That's the reason so you will see a million articles about that but AGAIN:
    There are million articles because THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Now find me one article from this offseason where the big question about Sanchez is whether he is in the class of Brady, Rodgers, etc.... It is a laughable question.


    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    There were questions about him all offseason, he and Coughlin were on the hot seat together. They weren't going to get rid of him(just as the Jets aren't getting rid of Sanchez) but he was put on notice.
    Questions all offseason.... but.... so difficult to find....


    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Where has it ever been a question that mark Sanchez would be our starter? where did I say there was a question that Eli would be the starter?
    There were plenty of questions about Sanchez holding off Tebow this offseason....

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-jets-tebow

    "Mark Sanchez, whom the team has repeatedly insisted is the Jets’ undisputed starter, will run the first-string offense throughout the practices."

    Why would they have to repeatedly insist if it had never been a question in anyone's mind? Please find me the quotes of Coughlin repeatedly insisting that Manning was the undisputed starter.
    Angry Deniers. A bunch of agenda-driven whiny clowns whose sole mission is to deny anything good that Tannehill has done and deny anything bad that the "gods of quarterbacks" have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grogan12 View Post
    You know growing up my father used to say “there’s no point in arguing with a fool, because a fool is too stupid to know that they are a fool.” After many years of thinking about it, and now reading your posts I’ve come to completely understand him. Thank you for that
    I know, you used that line last week when one of your weak arguments was roasted. I guess I should expect this on a weekly basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by FinfanInBuffalo View Post
    There are million articles because THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Now find me one article from this offseason where the big question about Sanchez is whether he is in the class of Brady, Rodgers, etc.... It is a laughable question.




    Questions all offseason.... but.... so difficult to find....




    There were plenty of questions about Sanchez holding off Tebow this offseason....

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-jets-tebow

    "Mark Sanchez, whom the team has repeatedly insisted is the Jets’ undisputed starter, will run the first-string offense throughout the practices."

    Why would they have to repeatedly insist if it had never been a question in anyone's mind? Please find me the quotes of Coughlin repeatedly insisting that Manning was the undisputed starter.

    There are a million articles b/c it was a hot topic after that interview, the league was laughing at him callimg himselgf elite and up there w/ Brady so it made big news.

    I postes that article. I'll go back to 2010 and find articles. I've been tied up in meetings the last day or so so I'll try to do that tomorrow.


    There were ZERO questions about Tebow competing, that was all SPECULATION. From day 1 Rex said there wasn't a competition and clearly there wasn't.

    Maybe the team repeatedly insisted it b/c the media kept making it a story? can we use common sense for once please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    There are a million articles b/c it was a hot topic after that interview, the league was laughing at him callimg himselgf elite and up there w/ Brady so it made big news.
    Looks like Eli had the last laugh...

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    I postes that article. I'll go back to 2010 and find articles. I've been tied up in meetings the last day or so so I'll try to do that tomorrow.


    There were ZERO questions about Tebow competing, that was all SPECULATION. From day 1 Rex said there wasn't a competition and clearly there wasn't.

    Maybe the team repeatedly insisted it b/c the media kept making it a story? can we use common sense for once please?
    And why would the media do that???? Because Sanchez's performance has not been good enough to make that SPECULATION unwarranted. Seriously, take your own advice, use some common sense. Stop being such a Sanchez fanboy for once. The questions about Sanchez remain BECAUSE HE HASN'T SILENCED THE DOUBTERS. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Sanchez is in the bottom third of the league's QBs. Why wouldn't a team consider upgrading such an important position?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinfanInBuffalo View Post
    Looks like Eli had the last laugh...



    And why would the media do that???? Because Sanchez's performance has not been good enough to make that SPECULATION unwarranted. Seriously, take your own advice, use some common sense. Stop being such a Sanchez fanboy for once. The questions about Sanchez remain BECAUSE HE HASN'T SILENCED THE DOUBTERS. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Sanchez is in the bottom third of the league's QBs. Why wouldn't a team consider upgrading such an important position?
    Eli played great '07 & '11 postseasons, he's not an elite QB though b/c he's not consistently great. he's never had a full elite season.


    Why would the media do that? isn't that a silly question? at no point was there a QB competition or controversy w/ the Jets.


    as far as Eli 2010-early 2011:

    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2..._im_not_a.html

    http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ption-problem/

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...novers/3687078

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010...ng-tiki-barber

    http://mobile.sbnation.com/nfl/2010/...eptions-fumble

    http://www.giants101.com/2010/12/26/...w-york-giants/
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Eli played great '07 & '11 postseasons, he's not an elite QB though b/c he's not consistently great. he's never had a full elite season.


    Why would the media do that? isn't that a silly question? at no point was there a QB competition or controversy w/ the Jets.


    as far as Eli 2010-early 2011:

    http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2..._im_not_a.html

    http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ption-problem/

    http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articl...novers/3687078

    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010...ng-tiki-barber

    http://mobile.sbnation.com/nfl/2010/...eptions-fumble

    http://www.giants101.com/2010/12/26/...w-york-giants/

    While elite or not elite is a question that time will answer on Eli, it really is a question that's missing the point. A better question is has Eli ever been a bottom 5 rated starting QB for three years? NO, but you know who has, and still is one of the worst starting QB's in the League?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grogan12 View Post
    While elite or not elite is a question that time will answer on Eli, it really is a question that's missing the point. A better question is has Eli ever been a bottom 5 rated starting QB for three years? NO, but you know who has, and still is one of the worst starting QB's in the League?
    Maybe your dad should have taught you about football rather educating you about fools. If you think sanchez has been a bottom 5 QB for 3 years you may want to stop watching football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Eli played great '07 & '11 postseasons, he's not an elite QB though b/c he's not consistently great. he's never had a full elite season.
    This is just ridiculous.... and I'm not even a Giants fan.

    I thought great was better than elite? That's how you tried to defend your assessment of the Jets. It is easier to keeps things straight if you don't try to make up definitions for words...

    None of the links about Eli had any member of the media questioning his status as the starter. The Jets, meanwhile, needed to repeatedly insist that Sanchez is..... It is clear to everyone who is not a Sanchez fanboy that the Giants did not face similar questions about Eli before the start of last year that the Jets faced about Sanchez before the start of this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Maybe your dad should have taught you about football rather educating you about fools. If you think sanchez has been a bottom 5 QB for 3 years you may want to stop watching football.
    Maybe not bottom 5 but certainly bottom third. But don't take my opinion, take these:

    Here's a ranking that has Eli at #4 (elite) and Sanchez at #22 (bottom third).

    http://www.athlonsports.com/nfl/rank...rterbacks-2012

    Eli #5, Sanchez #23:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview12/sto...callers-part-1

    Another with Eli around #7 and Sanchez around #28:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...reigns-supreme

    Here's one the puts Sanchez as high as 18, Eli is #4:

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...dy-eli-manning

    Eli at #4 and Sanchez/Tebow at #28:

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/7/2...rback-rankings

    Another with Eli at #4 witih only the top QBs ranked:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...he-nfl/page/12


    None of those rankings are for fantasy stats.

    Now please, give it up.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinfanInBuffalo View Post
    This is just ridiculous.... and I'm not even a Giants fan.

    I thought great was better than elite? That's how you tried to defend your assessment of the Jets. It is easier to keeps things straight if you don't try to make up definitions for words...

    None of the links about Eli had any member of the media questioning his status as the starter. The Jets, meanwhile, needed to repeatedly insist that Sanchez is..... It is clear to everyone who is not a Sanchez fanboy that the Giants did not face similar questions about Eli before the start of last year that the Jets faced about Sanchez before the start of this year.
    who is making anything up? the elite players are the greatest players in the game, not guys who are great one game then suck the next. The elite teams are the top teams in the league, the teams competing for championships. Where have I changed anything? I get you don't have anything to attack my argument w/ but this is pretty weak from you.

    No one who knows anything about the Jets questioned Sanchez's status and did the Giants have a backup who won a playoff game the year before? Nowhere did I say Eli was in jeopardy of being benchec, just that he was under scrutiny- JUST LIKE SANCHEZ. Never in danger of losing his job but under heavy scrutiny.

    You are right, we have less questions now than the Giants had a year ago. sanchez wasn't coming off TWENTY FIVE INTs and didn't start off week 1 throwing a backbreaking INT for a TD in a loss to a bad team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinfanInBuffalo View Post
    Maybe not bottom 5 but certainly bottom third. But don't take my opinion, take these:

    Here's a ranking that has Eli at #4 (elite) and Sanchez at #22 (bottom third).

    http://www.athlonsports.com/nfl/rank...rterbacks-2012

    Eli #5, Sanchez #23:

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/preview12/sto...callers-part-1

    Another with Eli around #7 and Sanchez around #28:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...reigns-supreme

    Here's one the puts Sanchez as high as 18, Eli is #4:

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...dy-eli-manning

    Eli at #4 and Sanchez/Tebow at #28:

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/7/2...rback-rankings

    Another with Eli at #4 witih only the top QBs ranked:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...he-nfl/page/12


    None of those rankings are for fantasy stats.

    Now please, give it up.....
    bleacher report? really? The media overreacts, I don't base my judgemens based on media members that barely watch these guys play and our favorite fake Pats fan said he was bottom 3rd for 3 years, in 2010 Sanchez was arguably top 10.

    by the way, #4 or 5 doesn't mean elite. There isn't a certain # of elite QBs but when a QB has yet to have a full elite season how can he be considered elite? Maybe an elite postseason QB but not an elite overall QB.
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