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    Quote Originally Posted by Roman529 View Post
    Obama says, "The job isn't done yet.....give me four more years." This is like a salesman who isn't getting the job done asking his boss to keep him around for four more years. Maybe someday he will actually make a sale. I think Obama cares more about the "Little people," the homeless, and the poor. He probably cares a little more about women's rights and making sure they have the choice of whether they can have an abortion, and get access to contraceptives, BUT to me these issues are not that important compared to JOBS and the Economy.
    Anyone accusing Obama of acting like a salesman shouldnt turn around and declare they are voting for Romney.

    What hasnt that guy promised? What position hasnt that guy flipped on? When has he stood up to his own party? And what has Romney said to you that makes you confident he can get jobs growing? His entire campaign has been "Trust me" and "I'll tell you after the election".

    Abortion and access to contraceptives are issues for those that deal with it. Personally, i think being the President means you should be able to do more than a single thing at a time. The overwhelmingly main reason why people are stating they will vote for Romney is because "a Democrat hasnt fixed in 4 years what a Republican broke in 8". The fact that Obama hasnt fixed it yet bothers me less than the fact that people keep giving me reasons as to why i shouldnt vote for Obama, as opposed to reasons to vote for Romney.

    This economy is such garbage that the election should be a gimme. Instead of people jumping on here telling me what a great candidate Romney is, they are on here telling me how bad Obama is. We get it already. The fact that Romney is trying to restrict votes, campaign with only Obama slip-ups, and cant give me any sort of definitive details about his post-election plans tells me that no matter how bad the President is: Romney will be worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spesh View Post
    Anyone accusing Obama of acting like a salesman shouldnt turn around and declare they are voting for Romney.

    What hasnt that guy promised? What position hasnt that guy flipped on? When has he stood up to his own party? And what has Romney said to you that makes you confident he can get jobs growing? His entire campaign has been "Trust me" and "I'll tell you after the election".

    Abortion and access to contraceptives are issues for those that deal with it. Personally, i think being the President means you should be able to do more than a single thing at a time. The overwhelmingly main reason why people are stating they will vote for Romney is because "a Democrat hasnt fixed in 4 years what a Republican broke in 8". The fact that Obama hasnt fixed it yet bothers me less than the fact that people keep giving me reasons as to why i shouldnt vote for Obama, as opposed to reasons to vote for Romney.

    This economy is such garbage that the election should be a gimme. Instead of people jumping on here telling me what a great candidate Romney is, they are on here telling me how bad Obama is. We get it already. The fact that Romney is trying to restrict votes, campaign with only Obama slip-ups, and cant give me any sort of definitive details about his post-election plans tells me that no matter how bad the President is: Romney will be worse.
    It's amazing how inept Romney is. Stat wise especially on the economy Obama should be getting his a$$ handed to him in this election. Romney is the Leon Lett of politics.





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    Right now my driver's license still has my old address on it of the house we just sold. Right now we're living in an apartment while they build our new house. In order to vote in this election I'm going to have to get my license changed. You know what? With no major stuff in my state elections and with Kentucky's electorals firmly going to Romney, I don't see the need to even vote this time around. My vote truly doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    It's amazing how inept Romney is. Stat wise especially on the economy Obama should be getting his a$$ handed to him in this election. Romney is the Leon Lett of politics.
    After all the middle east outrage last week and Obama's disgraceful response to it, i thought Romney would be moonwalking his way into office. New polls say that Obama is pulling ahead again, which i personally blame(with very little substance mind you, this is a lay opinion) on Romney's premature gaffelation on the Egypt embassy statement.

    For every single mistake Obama makes, Romney make 4. Anyone thinking that he will magically turn into the next Ronald Reagan if he gets elected is deluding themselves. As the British press declared during his visit: Romney makes George Bush sound like Aristotle.
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    I think the Republicans are losing for two reasons.
    1. Romney is a generally unlikable man(the various gaffe's strengthen this) while Obama is generally likable(except that minority that feel he is some combination of the antichrist, Hitler, Socialist Boogeyman).

    2. At a time of extreme economic crisis where the populace is hurting the Republican message is a very difficult sell.
    Republican Message being:
    -A general approach to save money by reducing entitlements.
    -Tax cuts to wealthier "job creators" as a way of stimulating the economy
    -Expansion of the tax base- i.e. more poor people will start paying income taxes.
    -Reduction of "wasteful" social programs. (which some desperate people may depend on)
    -Deregulation of government oversight over Big Business at a time where people are likely mistrustful of it. (reasons that they could be mistrustful-The unfathomable greed of big banks in Wall St and the negligence of BP leading to the Event Horizon blast.)
    -A more aggressive foreign policy
    -A relatively antagonistic approach to hispanic people.(Edit. Generally the fringe part of the Republican party trying to focus its message towards middle class white males where that is a decreasing part of the electorate.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by trojanma View Post
    If we are throwing in our own two cents on the election allow me to add my spin on the topic. As I slighly disagree with the above posters. FWIW I call myself an independent now though previously I aligned more with the republicans.
    I will say this to start. The candidates are exceedingly similar in their actual policy which leads them to sometimes take extreme positions to make themselves appear different.

    Foreign Policy. In reality despite what Mr. Romney claims he will be almost identical to Obama just how Obama claimed to be different from GW yet in the end he pretty much stayed the course.

    Domestic Policy
    Obama being driven by Keynsian principles would likely try to stimulate(read spend) his way towards getting the economy growing. Infrastructure projects and while maintaining current low taxes.

    Romney plans on stimulating growth by lowering taxes on job creators(rich people) and stripping regulatory agencies such as the EPA to nothing(if that is possible).
    Getting rid of the EPA is a scary thought for our future. I love the free market, but there are some things that need to be regulated if we hope to survive as a species longer than a few hundred more years... Unfortunately, some industries are incompatible with a healthy, sustainable ecosystem if left unregulated and to their own devices...
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    Quote Originally Posted by trojanma View Post
    I think the Republicans are losing for two reasons.
    1. Romney is a generally unlikable man(the various gaffe's strengthen this) while Obama is generally likable(except that minority that feel he is some combination of the antichrist, Hitler, Socialist Boogeyman).

    2. At a time of extreme economic crisis where the populace is hurting the Republican message is a very difficult sell.
    Republican Message being:
    -A general approach to save money by reducing entitlements.
    -Tax cuts to wealthier "job creators" as a way of stimulating the economy
    -Expansion of the tax base- i.e. more poor people will start paying income taxes.
    -Reduction of "wasteful" social programs. (which some desperate people may depend on)
    -Deregulation of government oversight over Big Business at a time where people are likely mistrustful of it. The unfathomable greed of big banks in Wall St and the negligence of BP leading to the Event Horizon blast.
    -A more aggressive foreign policy
    -A relatively antagonistic approach to hispanic people.(Edit. Generally the fringe part of the Republican party trying to focus its message towards middle class white males where that is a decreasing part of the electorate.)
    You are a true Romney voter. Flip-flopping in the same sentence.

    -Deregulation of government oversight over Big Business at a time where people are likely mistrustful of it. The unfathomable greed of big banks in Wall St and the negligence of BP leading to the Event Horizon blast.
    You want deregulation yet you are decrying two events which were caused by the lack of oversight.

    I find it funny how you describe unemployment, medicare, medicaid, social security as entitlements. They are a safety net. Yet you want tax cuts for the rich and wealthy (job creators) so they can hire more people in?
    If my business is doing so well that I need to hire people I do it with or without tax cuts. If the rich get tax cuts it goes into their own pockets. Remember the tax cuts is personal income as well which probably will go to another yacht. This trickle down crap was tried before and it failed.

    Where does a poor person get the money from to pay more taxes?
    You want to increase taxes on the poor essentially lowering the purchasing power yet you want to reduce taxes for the well off in hopes that they hire more people in?
    This is, at best, pathetic economics. If you increase taxes on the poor and maybe even the middle class you are decreasing the purchasing power. People don't go shopping anymore. Business who will be affected through less sales will fire people because of the lack of income and the lack of work. You are increasing the unemployment while the well off will line their pockets through personal income tax reductions. Yeah, that sounds like a Romney/Ryan plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phins_4_ever View Post
    You are a true Romney voter. Flip-flopping in the same sentence.



    You want deregulation yet you are decrying two events which were caused by the lack of oversight.

    I find it funny how you describe unemployment, medicare, medicaid, social security as entitlements. They are a safety net. Yet you want tax cuts for the rich and wealthy (job creators) so they can hire more people in?
    If my business is doing so well that I need to hire people I do it with or without tax cuts. If the rich get tax cuts it goes into their own pockets. Remember the tax cuts is personal income as well which probably will go to another yacht. This trickle down crap was tried before and it failed.

    Where does a poor person get the money from to pay more taxes?
    You want to increase taxes on the poor essentially lowering the purchasing power yet you want to reduce taxes for the well off in hopes that they hire more people in?
    This is, at best, pathetic economics. If you increase taxes on the poor and maybe even the middle class you are decreasing the purchasing power. People don't go shopping anymore. Business who will be affected through less sales will fire people because of the lack of income and the lack of work. You are increasing the unemployment while the well off will line their pockets through personal income tax reductions. Yeah, that sounds like a Romney/Ryan plan.

    I think you mistook my intent. The sentence where I flip flopped is amended now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trojanma View Post
    I think you mistook my intent. The sentence where I flip flopped is amended now.
    Please don't amend your post when someone has responded to it. It brings the response to a complete out of whack and obsolete issue. When I want to amend a post because someone has misunderstood my intend I make an additional response with the correct version of it.

    I can not tell you what to do as I am not a moderator but it would be the respectful way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkapePhin View Post
    Getting rid of the EPA is a scary thought for our future. I love the free market, but there are some things that need to be regulated if we hope to survive as a species longer than a few hundred more years... Unfortunately, some industries are incompatible with a healthy, sustainable ecosystem if left unregulated and to their own devices...
    This is what bothers me about the modern day Republicans.
    They are like day traders on Wall St. It is all about the immediate gains without regard to their consequences down the road.

    Abolishing the EPA and replacing it with some hodgepodge of state organizations. Of course it will be easier for big business to strong arm some underfunded state EPA.
    I am not even talking about habitats and endagered spieces. I am talking about health affects to you and me.
    Unregulated Energy/mining/chemical companies cut corners, because it is cheaper, profit margins go up, stock prices go up. Everything is fine and dandy until **** hits the fan.

    BP is the prime example of this.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/the-spill/
    An excellent article about this.

    Removing laws that protect us, abolishing the EPA. It will make it easier for many big companies to do business, they will grow they will hire, but one day we will get the consequences of this.
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