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Thread: My Two Cents on the Election

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    Quote Originally Posted by jribs View Post
    That is a very old argument and doesn't fly anymore...thank you but try again. When did it become okay to just say "Pay more taxes". At what point do I have to stop paying more and more taxes so you can have free medical care? or for that matter foodstamps. My taxes are ridiculous enough that I am tired of paying for you and everybody else.

    You too are just another sheep. Obviously you have not read what I have said previously, I do research independent of left wing or right wing media outlets. I would be lying if I said I have never been to either Fox or CNBC when checking out information, it hard not to come across these news articles but you are obviously are so stuck on your CNBC channel (telling us how great Obama is) to get informed about what I have been talking about. The one benefit is that he is not Obama but that is obvious...Tell me what are my benefits of keeping Obama around?

    And by the way, I don't hate the military, I served proudly for eight years and did 4 tours during the first gulf war. Space exploration...do you live in Florida? NASA is a shell of what it once was. You do realize we are depending on the (cant believe I have to say this) RUSSIANS to take us to space.

    So tell me, how is your healthcare? or are you waiting for me to pay for it?
    Are you not a sheep (your words, not mine) for being a FoxBot/LimbaughBot?
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    Ok it took me a while but I actually found your questions that you keep demanding I answer.

    If it is so wonderful and 90% of the criticism is untrue then how come..... 1.) I am experiencing it first had with my healthcare plan that we have been told straight forward that it is preparation for obamacare. (My plan used to be very good, not cheap but good.) Now it just sucks. And 2.) My Physician who, for now I can still go and see, is retiring in two years to go and take up teachin


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    Do you actually expect me to comment on why your coverage has changed over the years?
    The only person who is actually qualified to answer this question is the CFO of your insurance company.
    Hate to burst your bubble but insurance companies jobs are profits. To make money they deny you care.

    2) Why is my doctor retiring.
    Many older physicians are finding it more difficult to practice in modern times. Medicare is making some demands from docs(one example is an electronic medical record). These are very expensive to implement, but in the long run will result in quality control improvements.(FYI this push started long before the ACA)
    Remember the ACA's cuts are going to chop off payouts to docs by medicare. The offset is planned by there being less uninsured people to offset costs to hospitals. Unfortunately this does nothing for small clinics. This is part of the cost containment that allows the ACA save money 10 years from now.
    Generally speaking on average doctors are working longer hours and making less money than ever before.


    The one amusing thing that people fail to understand is that healthcare in the US is broken. Simply eliminating the ACA is not going to make the golden days return. That is pure fantasy.

    The US population is getting older, and more expensive to care for. Medical therapies are becoming more high tech and expensive to implement and politicians are looking to REDUCE the allocation of funds.
    The ACA was an attempt to fix this cycle by bringing more people into the system and forcing doctors to accept less pay.
    The Republicans have claimed that the magic of the market will change all our problems, that and will try and force the consumer to pay more for insurance.

    I am one hundred percent with Spesh.
    The republicans are offering no specifics about how they are going to solve these problems just empty slogans.. Why because they dont have any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jribs View Post
    That is a very old argument and doesn't fly anymore...thank you but try again. When did it become okay to just say "Pay more taxes". At what point do I have to stop paying more and more taxes so you can have free medical care? or for that matter foodstamps. My taxes are ridiculous enough that I am tired of paying for you and everybody else.

    You too are just another sheep. Obviously you have not read what I have said previously, I do research independent of left wing or right wing media outlets. I would be lying if I said I have never been to either Fox or CNBC when checking out information, it hard not to come across these news articles but you are obviously are so stuck on your CNBC channel (telling us how great Obama is) to get informed about what I have been talking about. The one benefit is that he is not Obama but that is obvious...Tell me what are my benefits of keeping Obama around?

    And by the way, I don't hate the military, I served proudly for eight years and did 4 tours during the first gulf war. Space exploration...do you live in Florida? NASA is a shell of what it once was. You do realize we are depending on the (cant believe I have to say this) RUSSIANS to take us to space.

    So tell me, how is your healthcare? or are you waiting for me to pay for it?


    What a persuasive argument youve put forward. Name call and finger pointing. You certainly wont hear me calling you a liar over the shocking revelation that you follow Fox News.

    You asked what i would call it and i described it: taxes. Then you go on some high and mighty rant about how your taxes are to high and oh yeah food stamps. Im surprised that you forgot to include Solyndra. The ACA is considered constitutional in part because it is considered a tax. It doesnt matter if you like it, it doesnt matter if you hate it, it doesnt matter if you want to live in the woods and never pay for anything ever. I know looking past your own bias is extremely difficult, but the fact remains it is considered a tax. Period.

    Please show me the quote where i talked about how great Obama is. The quote command is [QUOTE ] and [/QUOTE ] and the space between the "E" and the "]" that i had to put in so it wouldnt quote nothing. Just highlight the part of this thread where i talked about how great Obama is. But while we are on the topic, still havent seen someone talk about how good Romney is, still all about electing anyone not named Obama. Why dont you vote third party? I believe Florida will allow Gary Johnson to be a choice, Romney hasnt successfully attacked democracy in Florida. I mean, hes tried, but im fairly certain it wasnt successful. Anyone can correct me if im wrong on that.

    Do we explore space, yes or no? And it doesnt matter if NASA has been reduced so badly they cant even fund a soda machine, all that matters is if they receive tax payer money. Do they receive tax payer money, yes or no?
    And whoa, hold the phone a minute! Money was taken from the many and given to you? What sort of socialism is going on here!?!?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jribs View Post


    James- I did not go in to specifics with my doctor and it has been over a year since I have seen him. I try to get somewhat informed with out being nosy or overbearing. However the conversation was something to the effect of: "Can I get your view on "Obamacare" (that is a bad word by the way) and his response was a simple " I will be getting out of healthcare with in the next couple of years and maybe look at being a professor at .....(I don't remember)...the next thing that was said was either "Cough" or "little pressure here." I used to have a traditional HMO health plan. I don't know what they call it now but I have very high deductibles that must be reached. Stupid things like I cannot go to a specialist with out a referral among a number of things. So now I don't go to the doctor. If I break something or get hospitalized then hopefully it will pay off but in the mean time my cost have gone up for crappier care. I have people that work for me that have kids and are suffering with all of the money out of pocket they have to pay now that previously was not an issue since it was a copay. It is sad. But what is sadder is that I and anyone that pays taxes will be paying MORE for worse care..and that is the one thing that trojanma cannot deny or wont address.
    So you are saying that before the ACA/Obamacare, you had an insurance plan with a copay, low deductible, and you could see a specialist any time you wanted? You are also saying that other people had similar plans but now they have higher deductibles now too? How exactly did the ACA/Obamacare cause that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    Could be a Ron Paul rally too. Not like PaulBots are exactly independent thinkers, either. Anyone who blindly follows a politician is an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jribs View Post
    Look, we are not going to change each others minds...I am pissed at this presidency and I am tired of paying more and more taxes. And that seems to be the answer to this president....Tax and tax and tax.

    Spesh-You are the biggest sheep of all because you cannot acknowledge that I said I have READ fox articles just like I said I have read CNBC articles. Learn to read and stop taking out information for how YOU want it to read. Wow being called a sheep..hope I didnt hurt your little bitty feelings. geesh.... But I have also noticed that you did not deny that I am paying for your goverment service....Truth hurts huh?
    Not wasting my vote on third party. I want my vote to count so that I can try and get him out of office. DUH! Yes we do explore space and those taxes and yes they do get tax payer money THAT GOES TO THE FRIGGIN RUSSIANS.. HELLO?
    And finally because you are boring me this will be my final sign on...Yes I did recieve taxpayer money while in the military, and you were tucked in bed safe and sound not having to worry because I was there protecting you...guess what...I PAID TAXES on my meager earnings.!!!!!!!!!
    Good night...it has been fun but you have not convinced me on anything and I yes I am spitting mad about Obamacare or ACA or whatever else you want to call it.


    "If you dont agree with me im taking my ball and going home! Your all sheep! SHEEEEEEEEP!" Sounds about right for modern conservatism.

    So let me get this right: taxes for military is capitalism and totally great and you happily paid taxes. Taxes for healthcare: EVIL SOCIALISM!!!!!

    Not to worry, the Ruskies arent invading. We'll be sure to find whatever stone your hiding under and warn you before they start dropping in from space. I suppose we'll also warn Romney at the same time. I mean, he should be hiding in the stone next to yours after his presidential campaign gets done bombing.

    edit: and yes, i do not deny that taxes pay for government resources. Kinda been one of my points.

    edit 2: Did you delete your post after i had responded to it? Now thats funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CedarPhin View Post
    Could be a Ron Paul rally too. Not like PaulBots are exactly independent thinkers, either. Anyone who blindly follows a politician is an idiot.

    More independent than the Obama/Romney crowd that's for sure. At least we have principles.





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    Go ahead and make this a Paul "bot" attack Cedar.
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