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    Old Earth vs Young Earth, a debate between Christians

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjdQTNRbfU



    Pretty interesting debate between two Christians.
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    I'm not sure I'd classify Hovind as a Christian. At least a very good one. His logic is also very flawed. He basically refutes all of Ross's arguments by saying Ross doesn't know what he's talking about. Hovind doesn't understand some basic science principles.

    I just looked at his wiki page and he's currently serving prison time for tax related charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouPhinFan View Post
    I'm not sure I'd classify Hovind as a Christian. At least a very good one. His logic is also very flawed. He basically refutes all of Ross's arguments by saying Ross doesn't know what he's talking about. Hovind doesn't understand some basic science principles.

    I just looked at his wiki page and he's currently serving prison time for tax related charges.

    lol, well I was much more interested in Dr. Ross providing his arguments. But yea, I agree Dr. Hovind didn't really say anything other than "well I don't believe you." As for the prison thing, that's pretty funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LouPhinFan View Post
    I'm not sure I'd classify Hovind as a Christian. At least a very good one. His logic is also very flawed. He basically refutes all of Ross's arguments by saying Ross doesn't know what he's talking about. Hovind doesn't understand some basic science principles.

    I just looked at his wiki page and he's currently serving prison time for tax related charges.
    In all fairness, tax evasion charges have no real bearing on the validity of his views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandui View Post
    In all fairness, tax evasion charges have no real bearing on the validity of his views.
    No but if you review why he's in prison for tax evasion charges, it shows a flawed line of thinking that bleeds over to his arguments.
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    I am shocked that Carl Sagan had so much trouble with just a call in questioner, can you imagine if the guy actually debated a Creationists with a PhD? It’d be ugly. Nearly, all of the genetic information needed to produce the different phenotypes we see in breeds of dogs today was present in their common ancestors, so that analogy just doesn’t really work. In fact, Creationists will use the dog analogy quite often to illustrate how selection cannot produce all of the species we see today from one single common ancestor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackFinfan View Post
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    Pretty interesting debate between two Christians.
    I have actually met Ross and got a chance to visit with him for a while; he came to my university and debated my Evolutionary Biology professor. I loved the forum they used because it was more just the two of them sitting down and chatting with one another. I think there are far more formidable opponents out there than Hovind that he could have debated though…

    Not a fan of this forum structure but Lisle is pretty solid…

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    Hugh Ross is a compromised Christian. All that means is he has strayed from the biblical creation as written in Genesis and attempted to blend it with evolutionary theory. Ken Ham would be a much better opponent for Mr. Ross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphan7 View Post
    Hugh Ross is a compromised Christian. All that means is he has strayed from the biblical creation as written in Genesis and attempted to blend it with evolutionary theory. Ken Ham would be a much better opponent for Mr. Ross.
    Agreed, Wise and Sarfati would be fun to see debate Ross as well.
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