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Thread: Holmes to miss multiple games. Foot x-rays being passed arond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaark View Post
    If Tannenbaum goes, which is the active widespread speculation on all the jest boards, Rex will be gone too. Already Woody is intimating that if things don't turn around, they need to substitute in Tebow. And you know he'll listen to fan consensus cause for him it's all about the buck$. That house is swaying on its shaky foundation.
    Woody was quoted on Bloomberg referring to Senor Snatcho as "that quarterback." I expect the Jets will be humiliated on MNF and Rex wont have a choice except to start Tebow.

    buttfumble needs to go to another team where he can start over as a backup. The Jets handling of him from the start was horrible and they have done nothing to help him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    Going down injured and throwing the ball up in under a second after you hit the ground is not declaring yourself down. Please explain to me how you can think that the Cruz play should have been ruled a fumble last year, but the Holmes play this year should have been blown dead?
    yes it is, he made no attempt to get up and advance the ball thus giving himself up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    yes it is, he made no attempt to get up and advance the ball thus giving himself up.
    There was no time to attempt to advance the ball or get up since he threw the ball away in less than a second after he hit the ground. How in the world is an official supposed to determine that Holmes was giving himself up when he clearly went the the ground becasue of an injury, and threw the ball away so quickly. It is impossible. When a player trips himself or gets injured and falls to the ground, the play is not over until he is touched, or the whistle is blown. If you give up the ball before either of those things happen, it will be ruled a fumble.

    The thing that gets me is that you are not consistent with your opinions. You argued that the Cruz play should have been a fumble, and yet you claim that the Holmes play should have been blown dead when it is even more obvious that he was not giving himself up.
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    if the Cruz play was ruled down then this one should have been ruled down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    if the Cruz play was ruled down then this one should have been ruled down.
    That is like saying since the Fasano play was ruled a catch, then any play in which the player loses control of the ball going out of bounds should be ruled a catch. You thought that the Cruz play was a bad call. So, if you think that the Cruz play was a bad call, then you should think that the Holmes play was the right call. At least be consistent.

    Regardless, the situations were completely different. There was not much time left in the game, and Cruz actually looked over his shoulder and saw the defender before he dropped to the ground on his own. I don't think Cruz was familiar with the rule, but I can see how the official would consider that giving himself up. Holmes went to the ground because of an injury, not because he was giving himself up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Guy View Post
    That is like saying since the Fasano play was ruled a catch, then any play in which the player loses control of the ball going out of bounds should be ruled a catch. You thought that the Cruz play was a bad call. So, if you think that the Cruz play was a bad call, then you should think that the Holmes play was the right call. At least be consistent.

    Regardless, the situations were completely different. There was not much time left in the game, and Cruz actually looked over his shoulder and saw the defender before he dropped to the ground on his own. I don't think Cruz was familiar with the rule, but I can see how the official would consider that giving himself up. Holmes went to the ground because of an injury, not because he was giving himself up.
    Crus went down on his own, Holmes didn't. he couldn't possibly run, he was completely given up and those are calls the Giants always get and the Jets never get. It's frustrating. The TB game 2 weeks ago TB has a catch around the 15 in the last 20 secs going in for the tying score, the WR catches it runs a couple of yards then gets hit and the ball comes loose. Should have been a catch but they rule it incomplete, in the SB, the Manningham play. the rule is if the ball moves at all when you hit the ground on a sideline play like that it's incomplete but they ruled it complete. The Fasano drop was clear as day and they still blew, the Holmes play was clear, the Epps fumble was clear. That's why I hate replay b/c they still always get it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    if the Cruz play was ruled down then this one should have been ruled down.
    The world is out to get the Jets. They're ready for 'em though, they're ready.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinzN703 View Post
    The world is out to get the Jets. They're ready for 'em though, they're ready.
    it may be a "giant" coincidence but the proof is on video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    it may be a "giant" coincidence but the proof is on video.
    When proof is subjective, it isn't proof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyjunc View Post
    Crus went down on his own, Holmes didn't. he couldn't possibly run, he was completely given up and those are calls the Giants always get and the Jets never get. It's frustrating. The TB game 2 weeks ago TB has a catch around the 15 in the last 20 secs going in for the tying score, the WR catches it runs a couple of yards then gets hit and the ball comes loose. Should have been a catch but they rule it incomplete, in the SB, the Manningham play. the rule is if the ball moves at all when you hit the ground on a sideline play like that it's incomplete but they ruled it complete. The Fasano drop was clear as day and they still blew, the Holmes play was clear, the Epps fumble was clear. That's why I hate replay b/c they still always get it wrong.
    Wow Junc! You sure have done a 360 on your view of bad calls and lucky breaks.

    The Holmes and Cruz play were completely different situations. Cruz went down on his own with not much time left in the game. The officials had reason to believe that he was declaring himself down. I think the Cruz play was a bad call since Cruz did not know the rule and he thought he was touched down. Holmes went down because he got injured and it was at the beginning of the 4th quarter. He threw the ball away in under a second after he hit the ground. That is not declaring yourself down. That is a stupid play. Even if Holmes intended to give himself up, there was no way for the officials to determine if he was declaring himself down since he tossed the ball away so quickly. He was not down, and he was not declaring himself down. You could argue that it was an illegal forward pass, but Holmes did not declare himself down.

    The Epps play was very close, but I would agree with you that it was a bad call.

    You are way off on the Tampa call. Mike Williams barely got his second foot down before he was knocked out of bounds. He was bobbling the ball the whole time and never demonstrated possession. Take a look at it again:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1b9QaxD3k

    You can get a good look at the 3:15 mark.

    I'm not getting into the Manningham reception again. You can go back to that other thread and read all about why that was a catch.
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