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    Stonewall paul: Ryan mum on tax details


    During Thursday evening's debate, vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) did not offer new details on the Romney campaign's promise to slash taxes without losing the government a ton of revenue.
    The centrist Tax Policy Center has
    analyzed the plan and concluded that it would create wide budget deficits unless the Romney administration hiked taxes on the middle class. The Romney campaign has insisted that it would not.


    "What we are saying is lower tax rates across the board and close loopholes, primarily to the higher-income people," Ryan said on Thursday. "We have three bottom lines: Don't raise the deficit, don't raise taxes on the middle class and don't lower the share of income that is borne by the high-income earners."
    Among other things, the plan would cut all individual income tax rates by 20 percent.

    "Let's talk about this 20 percent," debate moderator Martha Raddatz said to Ryan. "You have refused yet again to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20 percent across-the-board tax cut. Do you actually have the specifics, or are you still working on it, and that's why you won't tell voters?"

    Ryan said that his plan would deny loopholes and deductions for higher-income earners, but he didn't specify whether the plan might target deductions for mortgage interest or charitable giving, for instance. "We want to work with Congress on how best to achieve this," he said.

    Raddatz asked, "You guarantee this math will add up?"

    "Six studies have verified that this adds up," Ryan said, repeating a claim Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney made in last week's debate against President Obama.
    The claim is debatable. As
    HuffPost has reported, three of the studies are blog posts or op-eds, and one was paid for by Romney for President Inc. (And the author of two of the pieces highlighted by the Romney campaign suggested the tax plan only works by eliminating tax preferences for people making more than $100,000.) But the supporting research for Romney's plan argues that the Tax Policy Center ignores the way the Romney tax reform would boost the economy, resulting in additional revenue.

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    Its obvious that the Romney Tax Plan and deficit reduction plan is a fantasy... There is a better chance that we all end up on planet Kolob after we die than Romney's "plan" ever being feasible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkapePhin View Post
    Its obvious that the Romney Tax Plan and deficit reduction plan is a fantasy... There is a better chance that we all end up on planet Kolob after we die than Romney's "plan" ever being feasible.
    How on Earth is that "obvious"? The Obama campaign won't ever give the specifics on what exactly a "fair share" is, so does that mean it's obvious his tax plan is a fantasy as well? Obama supporters are really starting to grasp at straws now, it’s complete desperation mode because they know they’re going to lose in November, and lose big.
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    I'm usually not very impressed with Biden. The guy puts his foot in his mouth far too often. But he knocked it out of the park last night. I actually laughed out loud when Ryan claimed that they would lower taxes 20% to raise revenue, and Biden just states that it isn't mathematically possible. Calling out Lyin' Ryan when he inevitably started talking out of his ass was something I was hoping Biden would do. I'm glad he did. The man had no response to Biden, all night...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statler Waldorf View Post
    How on Earth is that "obvious"? The Obama campaign won't ever give the specifics on what exactly a "fair share" is, so does that mean it's obvious his tax plan is a fantasy as well? Obama supporters are really starting to grasp at straws now, it’s complete desperation mode because they know they’re going to lose in November, and lose big.
    FYI, I don't support Obama.

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    And to answer your question, yes, they are both fantasies. I don't believe ANY of these guys have a sound plan to lower the deficit. They are both just giving lip service.
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    I'm usually not very impressed with Biden. The guy puts his foot in his mouth far too often. But he knocked it out of the park last night. I actually laughed out loud when Ryan claimed that they would lower taxes 20% to raise revenue, and Biden just states that it isn't mathematically possible. Calling out Lyin' Ryan when he inevitably started talking out of his ass was something I was hoping Biden would do. I'm glad he did. The man had no response to Biden, all night...


    Haha, and if Joe Biden asserts something is mathematically Impossible by golly that proves it’s not possible! We all know he is infallible. :-P

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkapePhin View Post
    And to answer your question, yes, they are both fantasies. I don't believe ANY of these guys have a sound plan to lower the deficit. They are both just giving lip service.
    Then why do you spend so much of your time attacking Romney and not the guy who has actually been mucking things up for four years?
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    [QUOTE=Statler Waldorf;1064457212]Haha, and if Joe Biden asserts something is mathematically Impossible by golly that proves it’s not possible! We all know he is infallible. :-P /QUOTE]

    No, but mathematics supports his claim. I wouldn't expect the least objective person on the board to accept something as factual as math though...
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    No, but mathematics supports his claim.


    I see your command of basic logic hasn’t improved, this everyone is the reification fallacy.

    I wouldn't expect the least objective person on the board to accept something as factual as math though...


    Haha, you hurt my feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locke View Post
    I'm usually not very impressed with Biden. The guy puts his foot in his mouth far too often. But he knocked it out of the park last night. I actually laughed out loud when Ryan claimed that they would lower taxes 20% to raise revenue, and Biden just states that it isn't mathematically possible. Calling out Lyin' Ryan when he inevitably started talking out of his ass was something I was hoping Biden would do. I'm glad he did. The man had no response to Biden, all night...
    Must have been a kiddy park.

    Great come back Joe Biden says it's mathematically impossible......oh jez I'm convinced....lol....he also said that no one in Benghazi ever requested more security..... funny how the opposite was stated that they did request additional security at the House Committee Hearings......But we won't talk about that

    So now Good old Joe Biden, the intellectual giant, born and raised with a foot in his mouth the Guru for truth and accuracy..Hey if Crazy Joe said it you know it must be true.

    Everybody preferences Joe by saying it's just crazy Joe doing his thing and he gets away with it ...but this guy is next up if something ever happened to the president, hmmmm well now that I think about it we might be better off.......nevermind

    Hey it's a good sign to see , " Your usually not very impressed with Biden. The guy puts his foot in his mouth far too often......" ya think ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Statler Waldorf View Post

    Haha, and if Joe Biden asserts something is mathematically Impossible by golly that proves it’s not possible! We all know he is infallible. :-P

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    Then why do you spend so much of your time attacking Romney and not the guy who has actually been mucking things up for four years?
    Because even though I believe Obama is a problem, I view Romney as a worse option. I don't believe he offers any solutions, only promises. And he is as solid as a fart. He has no principles other than the principle to win an election. That isn't leadership, its salesmanship.

    In addition, I don't believe Romney is a good candidate to bring us off our dependency to fossil fuels. The environment is one of the most important issues we face as humans and the future, yet Romney would have us sucking on Big Oil's tit for years to come, rather than trying to find other solutions to our energy problem that would possibly allow us to thwart the impending ecological crisis.
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