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    just 1 i would add to underrated = brandon fields , year on year he has improved and imo should of been the pro bowl punter last year
    i know there is shane lechler of the raiders in the afc who seems booked into the probowl spot before the season kicks off
    but for me there is more to punting than booming the ball into orbit , fields out plays lechler in directional punting and keeping teams backed up
    against there own goal line

    but saying that fields has added like 2 yards per punt onto his average this year to be above 50yards a punt
    how many times have we said fields has kept us in the game by pinning opponents on there goal line or has swung field position our way
    for me he is afc pro bowl punter!
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    Nice post however IMO Cameron Wake isnt underrated and is very much well known by offenses. I also wouldnt put long anywhere near the top 5 best LT in the league. I wouldnt even put him in the top ten. I dont think we have seen enough out of Lamar Miller to call him either overrated or underrated. Remember, he is averaging almost 6 YPC
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    I'll keep it to just players because I don't know enough about what coaches/personnel and others do and I agree leaving Ireland out of this is for the best. There are enough threads on him already.


    Underrated

    Pat Devlin -
    Just Reading threads from the Matt Moore trade speculation, there is some people who think Devlin is just some kind of fill in 3rd stringer that is far less capable than Matt Moore. Pat Devlin is a west coast QB by design. Quick release, Accurate, mobile enough . . . he needed the right system and the right coaching to get the most out of him and he is getting that now. 3rd stringers in preseason or not, you saw some of the command that he had of this offense in those games and that wasn't a fluke. I can understand being apprehensive about if Tannehill goes down Devlin won't be ready and the experienced Matt Moore is the obvious choice . . . but I truly believe come next year he is going to be a solid backup to Tannehill.

    Anthony Fasano - Really a complete TE. Sure he isn't the best blocking TE in the league, but he's a solid blocking TE . . .and obviously he isn't the best receiving TE, but he can get the job done when called upon. As much as we cry for upgrades at TE and to even suggest "cutting" Fasano because he plays bad against the Falcons . . . he is clearly our best TE and we should be looking to find a compliment ala David Martin 2008 instead of trying to replace him. He's looking like a definite resign if you ask me.

    Cameron Wake - Well I don't have to tell Dolfans this, but Cameron Wake is the best pass rusher in the NFL. He may not lead the league in sacks but he has graded out since last year as the most effective pass rusher factoring in sacks, pressures, holding calls and QB hits. When I can see people make polls on Mario Williams or Cam Wake, and people say Mario Williams . . . . there is no doubt they don't understand the force Cam Wake is. Jeff Ireland (I had to bring his name up . . . doh) got this one right . . . in fact, it's his shining star on his resume if you ask me (though Tannehill could challenge that soon). From his first contract to his second contract . . . excellent deals . . . and I don't even like Jeff Kudos to JI.

    Jonathan Martin - He was god awful in preseason and considered a disappointment from the first preseason game . . . but this kid has made HUGE strides as the season keeps progressing. Solid feet and a solid pass protector and we are even running tough behind him and Jerry on that right side. I think many of us felt he was a year away from being solid, but he is doing well right now and I'll tell you what, if Jake Long doesn't get resigned . . . Jonathan Martin will be the biggest reason why. Sure he's not Jake Long but he fits this scheme better than Jake and he's going to be a solid pass protector in this league.

    Overrated

    Lamar Miller - Not his fault really but it truly isn't fair to think that this guy can take over for Reggie Bush. Hell Daniel Thomas was out and we barely saw the kid . . . when Thomas is in, he gets plenty of burn . . . why is that? I dunno, when I watched him at the U, I saw a guy who would go down easy, get constant gains of 1 yard and then out of nowhere hit the homerun. He struggles in pass protection and maybe he isn't picking things up as quick as he needs to, to be a guy who can spell your starting RB. He has alot of potential but when I see threads like "Lamar Miller > Trent Richardson" . . . I have to snicker a bit.

    Jake Long
    - Hard to be overrated when you are a top 5 LT in the game. We still have not seen him at his fullest potential as a run blocker and he can struggle with the elite speed rushers. He'll probably command the highest contract ever given to a LT in league history, or somewhere in that neighborhood and he truly has been average this year. He's a notoriously slow starter and I thought he played well in the Rams game so I expect him to turn it on barring injury.

    Matt Moore - He was brilliant at times last year but I don't think this new offense fits him at all. He looked awful in preseason, and despite the positive comments on Hard Knocks about his leadership . . . David Garrard clearly was ahead of him prior to getting injured and Tannehill just marched right on by him as well. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if Pat Devlin was ahead of him in the coaches mind (not on the depth chart for the public to see tho).

    Ritchie Incognito - Love his intensity and for a guy who had no business being placed as the LG from day one (injury issues and lack of confidence in other players) he probably has performed better than anybody could have expected him to. However for this new ZBS we are running, I think it is about time to start finding a better replacement for Ritchie. He's sluggish, his feet are meh and he's just not a good fit. I've been saying this for years, or atleast attempt to move him to RG . . . but Ritchie finds a way to keep sticking. We should dominate running left, especially in short yardage situations and we just have not been able to do that. In fantasy world if we could move Pouncey over to LG and bring over his brother to play center . . . that line would be dominate in this system.


    Mixed Feelings

    Brian Hartline and Davone Bess - Before coming into this season you really had to stress how "underrated" Miami's first options at WR were. The notion everywhere is that Miami had "nothing" at WR and that simply wasn't true. They may not have legitimate #1 guys, but they had guys who can help move the offense down the field. Bess is one of the most dependable guys in the league, especially on 3rd downs, great route runner and has been extremely consistent his entire tenure in the NFL. Hartline is a guy that deceives alot of folks, solid hands, solid route runner, pretty good speed and makes tough catches. Where my feelings become mixed are when I watch a guy like Victor Cruz add that "explosiveness" from the slot WR position . . . something that Davone Bess just doesn't have. In today's NFL, you almost require your slot WR to be a guy who can put up #1 numbers as QB's will exploit that nickel CB and having a guy that can ake a 5 or 10 yard route the distance after the catch is crucial. It's not a coincedence that the 2 best slot WR's in the game met up in the Super Bowl last year. With Hartline you really see how limited he can be as a #1 when teams actually pay attention to him. He's a very average WR, which is fine, but truly is out of his element and needs that #1 type of WR opposite of him to relive him of some of that pressure so he can continue to make plays as a #2 or #3 or even #4 option in the offense. This is why this upcomming draft is so crucial in regards to skill players . . . you don't need to just fill holes, you need to improve the overall talent of your skill players on offense . . . because even though guys like Bess and Hartline are very likeable and our best options at WR right now, they are limited in their capabilities and having a plethora of options to choose from to help make this offense go will only aid in making this team an eventual and consistent Super Bowl contender and make Ryan Tannehill a top tier QB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolpns13 View Post
    Nice post however IMO Cameron Wake isnt underrated and is very much well known by offenses. I also wouldnt put long anywhere near the top 5 best LT in the league. I wouldnt even put him in the top ten. I dont think we have seen enough out of Lamar Miller to call him either overrated or underrated. Remember, he is averaging almost 6 YPC
    Just out of curiosity who are your top 10 LTs? I agree that I don't think Long is top 5 but I'm not sure how he isn't top 10.
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    In a sense the whole team is underrated. Nobody expected us to do anything this year and yet we're two FG from being 5 and 1 and alone in first place. Carpenter who at one point seemed a he was going to be a very good kicker for us is not overrated and should probably have been cut already. Long is there too as he's not playing as a top 5 LT at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cullenbigcstill View Post
    I agree great post KDAWG!

    SouthBeach2 is Chis Grier and Chris Shea are they from Philbin and Co or are they holdovers from the Cowboys regime?
    Grier is in his 12th season with Miami, and his 4th as Director of scouting. This is also Shea's 4th year with the Dolphins.

    http://204.88.29.222/content/chris-shea
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    Quote Originally Posted by dabeastdabone View Post
    Honestly I'm confused. Who underrates Wake? Devlin is 100% assumption, has he even played a real game snap? As for overrated calling Long top five then putting him in the overrated group, not to mention wasn't he just rated as the what...40th something rated offensive lineman somewhere (sorry I just recall a link here). Moore is a backup and always has been, where does overrating come into play there. Who rates Miller as more than maybe a second stringer. Perhaps I'm off but don't the vast majority of people thing Incognito isn't all that good?
    I believe that Wake has been underrated by the national media and fans, as well as some locally, who only are looking at sacks. I think the poster was referring to Long having been top 5 rated, and he did mention him being average so far this year. Cog is good but, not in Philbin's system.

    Devlin is assumption but, Philbin really likes him, and has said so. Many called Moore a VG QB after last year but, he really wasn't. JMO
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    Anyone who thinks Tannehill is overrated simply either hasn't been closely watching, or doesn't understand what they are looking at....period!

    Despite a limited number of starts in college, this kid gets better and better every week, showing a poise and a command of the game you rarely see this early in a rookie QB.

    He hasn't thrown an interception in the last two games and his QB rating in those games is over a 100 combined.

    In fact, if you take away his first game where we had 7 minutes of JJ Watt madness, he has a positive touchdown to interception ratio, not to mention some dropped touchdown passes.
    Jay Fiedler can take his'n and lose to your'n.....or take your'n and lose to his'n.

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    Quote Originally Posted by datruth55 View Post
    Just out of curiosity who are your top 10 LTs? I agree that I don't think Long is top 5 but I'm not sure how he isn't top 10.
    I'm not sure but even top ten LT's dont have multiple holding calls and give up more than 1 sack per game. Last game Jake gave up 2 sacks and had 2 holding calls. It seems every game Jake gets penalized 2 or 3 times and gives up a sack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by datruth55 View Post
    Just out of curiosity who are your top 10 LTs? I agree that I don't think Long is top 5 but I'm not sure how he isn't top 10.
    Here's a list of 10 LT's playing better than Long, in no particular order. Clady from Denver, Brown from Houston, Staley from SF, Solder from NE, Thomas from Cleve, Ferguson from the Jets, Whitworth from Cinci, Kalil from Minny, Roos from Tenn, And Williams from Wash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolpns13 View Post
    I'm not sure but even top ten LT's dont have multiple holding calls and give up more than 1 sack per game. Last game Jake gave up 2 sacks and had 2 holding calls. It seems every game Jake gets penalized 2 or 3 times and gives up a sack.
    Hold on though, if you're going to say he's not top 10 you got to name names. Who at LT is better than Jake Long?

    I can say Joe Thomas, Ryan Clady, Duane Brown and Joe Staley but after that it gets a little iffy so if you have 10 guys in front of Jake Long I'd like to hear it.
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