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    by the way fellas this weekends college games is a draft eval gold mine...from bama lsu to cal washington to texas a & m miss st to oregon usc plus texas texas tech where there's a couple guys for texas on d that i'm interested in...a & m when i watch them i just see fit after fit for this team and solid nfl talent...all over the damn place
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    Quote Originally Posted by datruth55 View Post
    Wilson's measureables will get him drafted in the 2nd round. Don't see him lasting till the 3rd. No DE? Might be the position on the team with the least depth...we have to get a DE in this draft.
    What are your thoughts on Dion Jordan? Guy looks like Jason Taylor to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiDolphin618 View Post
    Yeah agreed that some of these guys won't get to where you have them. I think Rhodes sneaks into the 1st round as well. For the most part I like the players though. Reid and Rhodes would go a long way to helping our secondary...but they aren't my favorite guys. I think if I was going to double up on secondary help I would prefer to try and get Banks or Milliner in the 1st and then snag a Whitley or Elam in the 2nd. Thats just me.

    I love Sean Porter as a player...and although he isn't the perfect fit for what we need I think he's probably a BPA type of guy you just don't pass up.

    As for Wilson and Stills...those would be nice solid pick-ups in the 3rd. Wilson was my #3 WR going into this year...I think he's a stud and realistically he's MAYBE going to make it to the 2nd if he comes out. I like Stills value in the 3rd..but I would certainly be looking at some other available guys as well..particularly Swope.

    I guess the main drawback is there is no immediate pass rush help. Sean Porter is a great player as I said, but he's not going to put his hand in the dirt and hunt the QB. Maybe a guy like James Gayle or Dion Jordan is there in the 2nd and I think those are the type of guys that can come in on 3rd down as a rookie and hunt the QB.
    I think Miami would have to trade up for Banks or Milliner, but I would be happy if they got one of those guys. I'm starting to think Jordan goes round 1. Really like his game, though I don't know if the Dolphins would use him at DE or LB. Not sure how good he is against the run. Kind of like a Jason Taylor coming out IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    frankly i don't like it...not interested in reid with our top pick...marquess wilsons game is a lot of finesse but barring him running a 4.6 or something with those size measurables he's not sniffing round 3...

    at cb i like washingtons desmond trufant in press man...he matches up with keenan allen friday...set the dvr...i like trufant in the 2nd round...

    i'm in the process of putting together a list of targets in the top 3 rounds with our picks right now...got a pretty good list already
    Trufant is really under the radar right now. I'd love to get him in round 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SF Dolphin Fan View Post
    What are your thoughts on Dion Jordan? Guy looks like Jason Taylor to me.
    Haven't seen enough of his games but I see some similarities to Jason Taylor but he's not that player. He's got length like Taylor and a pretty explosive first step but Taylor, even at his light weight, showed a lot more power and leverage when rushing the passer. Jordan seems to be speed rusher only. Again, haven't seen enough of his games but he seems to get the edge on a lot of tackles and that doesn't always work...I'd like to see a few more pass rush moves from him...he'd have to put 20 lbs on that frame for the NFL...how does that effect his speed?

    I mean I've watch Jason Taylor at 6'6" 260 lbs bull rush a 320 lbs OT and knock him back into the QB...Taylor was a heck of a lot stronger than people gave him credit for and he'd hit you with a speed rush time and again then all of a sudden bull rush you and the OT wouldn't be expecting it and the next thing you know Taylor has a sack. Jordan is 6'7" 240-ish...looks more like a small forward than a football player. If I had more games to go by I could give you a better feel for what kind of player he is but where I live I rarely get west coast games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hooshoops View Post
    well don't expect any pipe dreams to be on my list cause a lot of guys we aren't sniffing...so even though i would love a mingo or a dmontre moore etc as a pass rush specialist i don't see it getting to us and so they won't be on the list...

    there's another part to this that i'm wondering about also...with the improved play of the cbs and jimmy wilson in the slot does miami feel like with a healthy richard marshall a resigned sean smith nolan carroll continuing to develop that they don't need to invest a high pick in the position??? maybe...i guess we'll see what the next 9 weeks tells us...

    I wondered about that too. We definitely need at least one more CB, but maybe they can afford to wait to until a bit later in the draft, and find another developmental corner. How deep is the talent at CB in the 2013 draft? Also, I'm curious as to your opinion on Conner Vernon as a mid-round possiblity at WR. He seems to fit the WCO, and he's produced his entire career at Duke, but I'm not sure if he has the athleticism to thrive in the NFL, and his good career numbers could be a by-products of Cutcliffes system.
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    Don't know if they'll see CB as a priority...would depend on Coyle and what he tells Ireland but depth is still an issue. We had to move Jimmy Wilson back to corner after asking him to put on weight to play safety...somewhere in the defensive backfield we're not deep enough. Whether it's safety or corner we need to address it in the draft and I would prefer we draft a CB and a FS. We'll have to look at the priorities though and what's left to fill after free agency. If we fail to sign some of our own free agents then the priorities list probably changes, conversely if we re-sign our key free agents and sign a WR or a DE then the those positions aren't as dire.
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    I'd prioritize pass rusher over a corner, but I still feel we need both. We haven't played the elite quarterbacks yet so I'm really curious to see how this team does against Tom Brady. We played Texas so early in the season that I'm not sure that's a great gauge of where we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fininpsl View Post
    I wondered about that too. We definitely need at least one more CB, but maybe they can afford to wait to until a bit later in the draft, and find another developmental corner. How deep is the talent at CB in the 2013 draft? Also, I'm curious as to your opinion on Conner Vernon as a mid-round possiblity at WR. He seems to fit the WCO, and he's produced his entire career at Duke, but I'm not sure if he has the athleticism to thrive in the NFL, and his good career numbers could be a by-products of Cutcliffes system.
    agreed we need another corner...no doubt about it...but whether that guy needs to be a top tier one or a developmental one is up in the air at this point imo...and agreed we haven't faced a tom brady like qb either and one that really has a high end #2 wr to help gauge just how far along guys like carroll are in their development...we've faced some solid slots though already and wilsons held up well...

    as for the cb depth in this class it's too early to say for me but i do like some guys in the top 50 or so and think they could help us if we want someone with day 1 contributing skills...the more i look at the talent in this draft the more i like what is likely gonna be available to us with our top 3 round picks...this team needs skill position talent upgrades and i see a good amount of guys i think that can help...

    as for connor vernon i think you hit the nail on the head...not overly athletic what kind of upside as a pro does he have??? to me i see him ceiling wise as a #3 or more likely a #4 wr which we already have plenty of and i'm not interested in burning mid round picks on what i already have pretty much...there's also some concern there that like you have said he's a product of the system in college...anyways i'm looking for a top level win wr against high end nfl corners...so my focus is on those guys...and there's a couple slot guys that despite bess playing very well i just can't help but ignore at certain points if they were there on draft weekend...
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    Thats a very nice draft, IMO. Rhodes is not maybe having the season he had last year, but there's a lot to like and he's one of the few biggish CBs at the top end of the draft.

    Eric Reid is a project, if you ask me. A lot of people wouldn't be happy taking a project in the first, but I would, for two reasons. First Reid is an animal, with big hit ability, instincts and decisiveness. A lot of what he brings, you can't teach. Second, Coyle is the perfect coach to fast track a project player. So Reid and Eifert are two of the mid to late first guys I would definitely buy into.

    We're going to need to draft an LB pretty high. We need backup for Dansby and Burnett badly. Kaddu might work out but I wouldn't put the house on it and we need more irons in the fire. I like Kiko Alonso of Oregon a lot. Character concerns and the fact he's in the PAC-12 might Put him as low as the fourth, but I like him a lot. If he's the reformed character the Ducks would like you to believe he is, I would think a lot about biting. He needs to bulk up though.

    I haven't been tracking a lot of other ILBs. Chase Thomas obviously, depending on what role you have him in mind for.
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