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Thread: Davis trade looking good for Miami, Vontae statistically getting roasted

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    Davis trade looking good for Miami, Vontae statistically getting roasted

    Indianapolis Colts cornerback Vontae Davis (sprained knee) likely won’t face his former team Sunday – “I’m going to be out for a while” – but a few things are clear two months after the trade: The Dolphins’ suspicion that Davis wasn’t on the verge of blossoming into an elite cornerback so far has proved true. So was their conviction that Nolan Carroll had genuinely improved.
    With the Colts awaiting Sunday, here are a few developing points to consider on that big August trade:
    ### Even though Richard Marshall struggled before being sidelined with a back injury, the production of Marshall (four games) and Carroll (overall, and in his three games as a starter) is far superior to Davis’ play with the Colts and not much different than Davis’ performance last year.
    This season, Davis has allowed a dismal 15 of 19 passes thrown against him to be completed for 191 yards (12.7 average), with two touchdowns allowed, no picks, and a 143.6 quarterback rating against (second-worst in the league - ahead of only Kyle Arrington), according to ProFootballFocus.com. Factoring in three penalties, an unfathomably awful 18 of 22 passes thrown against Davis have had bad results, among the league’s worst. Davis missed two games earlier with an ankle injury.

    Conversely, in the games they have started, Marshall and Carroll have combined to allow 27 of 46 passes to be completed against them for 340 yards, a 12.5 average, with two TDs allowed (against Marshall) and one pick (by Marshall).
    ### Carroll has been better than Marshall, with a 71.8 quarterback rating in his coverage area, compared with 101.2 for Marshall. Carroll deserves to start when Marshall returns.
    ### Davis played decently in 2011, including three touchdowns allowed, four picks and 68.8 QB rating against. But he regressed in training camp, and Marshall and Carroll are allowing more than a yard less per catch this season than Davis did last year.
    ### And this, too, is significant: The players who have filled Miami’s third corner role (Carroll the first four games, Jimmy Wilson the last three) have combined in those games to allow just 21 of the 43 passes thrown against them to be completed, for a 12.9 average and no touchdowns --- not only better than Davis in 2011 or 2012, but a much better percentage that last year’s No. 3 corner, Will Allen, who’s on injured reserve for the Patriots.
    So one of Miami’s biggest concerns after the Davis trade (third corner) hasn’t been a problem after all.
    “They have both really stepped up,” defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle said of Carroll (a fifth-round pick) and Wilson (a seventh-rounder). “We have developed some depth in the secondary as a result of this injury to Richard. We’ll be strong down the stretch because of it.”
    And they are helping in other ways: Wilson’s sack and punt block Sunday, Carroll’s sack that forced a fumble. Plus, Sean Smith’s improvement has helped soften Davis’ loss.
    ### One negative: The Colts’ surprising success means Miami’s second and sixth-round picks might not come until the middle of those rounds, perhaps later. And the trade can’t be fully judged until we see what Miami gets with those picks.
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    It's looking like the 2nd picks will be near each other, probably around 50
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    At first I hated this trade, but now I'm almost certain that Davis will never reach his potential, I just hope Ireland uses that 2nd round pick effectively.
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    Honestly, IMO Marshall can take his time coming back. The secondary without him does have growing pains on occasion but is playing much better without him as a whole. Wilson and Carroll are growing through their playing time. To often Marshall looked lost in coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDog 88 View Post
    Honestly, IMO Marshall can take his time coming back. The secondary without him does have growing pains on occasion but is playing much better without him as a whole. Wilson and Carroll are growing through their playing time. To often Marshall looked lost in coverage.
    I agree. I think our secondary looks better with NC out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDog 88 View Post
    Honestly, IMO Marshall can take his time coming back. The secondary without him does have growing pains on occasion but is playing much better without him as a whole. Wilson and Carroll are growing through their playing time. To often Marshall looked lost in coverage.
    Marshall is a clear upgrade over our current 3rd CB in Jimmy Wilson. Marshall needs to get healthy ASAP.
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    Hopefully when Marshall comes back he can plug back in and help contribute, because he wasnt looking so good before. If not I say try him out at FS...
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    Maybe Vontae was a negative influence on Sean Smith. Davis and Smith were drafted in the same year with Vontae in the 1st round and Smith in the 2nd. Right from the start VD attracted more attention because of his capacity for more spectacular plays, etc. However, it's significant that Smith has upped his game this year. Big name WR's like Larry Fitzgerald, Santonio Holmes, AJ Green, etc have all been negated by Smith. Chances are that Vontae would have been given those key matchups in the past. Full marks go to Kevin Coyle for recognizing what he had in both players and seeing the bigger upside in Smith.
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