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    It won't be a landslide, but it will be an Obama victory...

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    Let me take a stab at this.

    The Economy Positives.

    Employers reported adding 171,000 jobs in October, beating both analysts’ expectations (125,000 jobs added) and September’s job creation (a revised 148,000). The most jobs added in 8mths.

    The unemployment rate rose to 7.9 percent, up from 7.8 percent, but the reason behind the uptick also points to an improved job market. [B]Some 578,000 more Americans counted themselves as part of the labor force. Because of consumer confidence.

    Private employment rose by even more than the overall job growth, up 184,000, as cuts by the U.S. Postal Service and state governments acted as a drag.

    Job creation was strongest among retailers, who added 36,000 jobs; health care, which added 32,500 jobs; and leisure and hospitality employers, who added 28,000 positions. The construction industry reported a gain of 17,000 jobs, a welcome improvement that reflects a rebound in the housing industry.

    Created 5.4 million new jobs. That's 32 Straight Months Of Private Sector Job Growth!

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    --The American auto industry is back on top! GM #1 car seller in the world. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades.

    --We’re less dependent on foreign oil than at any time in the past 20 years.
    --The Dow is now at 14,000

    --Unemployment is down in 44 states.

    --You can now buy big clunky cars that does 25-38 MPG. Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

    --After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014.

    -- Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

    --In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

    --In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

    --As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.

    -- With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

    -- New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion.

    --Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

    --- In 2011, signed FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, which boosts the Food and Drug Administration’s budget by $1.4 billion and expands its regulatory responsibilities to include increasing number of food inspections, issuing direct food recalls, and reviewing the current food safety practices of countries importing products into America.

    -- Issued executive order in 2009 requiring all federal agencies to make plans to soften their environmental impacts by 2020. Goals include 30 percent reduction in fleet gasoline use, 26 percent boost in water efficiency, and sustainability requirements for 95 percent of all federal contracts. Because federal government is the country’s single biggest purchaser of goods and services, likely to have ripple effects throughout the economy for years to come.

    -- In coordination with Michelle Obama, signed Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act in 2010 mandating $4.5 billion spending boost and higher nutritional and health standards for school lunches. New rules based on the law, released in January, double the amount of fruits and vegetables and require only whole grains in food served to students.

    --Created Recovery.gov: Web site run by independent board of inspectors general looking for fraud and abuse in stimulus spending, provides public with detailed information on every contract funded by $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Thanks partly to this transparency, board has uncovered very little fraud, and Web site has become national model: “The stimulus has done more to promote transparency at almost all levels of government than any piece of legislation in recent memory,” reports Governing magazine.

    --Signed 2009 Children’s Health Insurance Authorization Act, which allows the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to cover health care for 4 million more children, paid for by a tax increase on tobacco products.

    That's just the short list, there's hundreds more I can list. And almost 60 percent of people in this country haven't brought the marketing ploy by the conservatives to paint Obama as a socialist, marxist, muslim who sat at rev. white christian church for 20 years and his dad is a atheist, he's going to take our guns, and by the way, although he is the president he also hate this country, and so on and so forth.

    He has done things that have directly impacted millions of Americans, in which they are great-full, this is going to be a landslide win on Tuesday,,
    Ummmm...most everything you listed actually are socialist programs or laws by definition. They wreak of big government and most all of them come at a cost to the American taxpayer. No, everything that Obama has done has not been awful but I stand in firm disagreement with most everything that you just lauded as "accomplishments". These "accomplishments" cost me more every day when I pay for gas, health insurance, food, taxes, and even chewing tobacco ($8.50 a pack, WTF?). Thanks but no thanks.

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    I predict this is what happens NO MATTER WHAT.......






    More than likely an Obama victory but wouldn't be surprised if Romney pulls it out. Either way we ALL lose.





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    Re: 5 days out, post your predictions here

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    I predict this is what happens NO MATTER WHAT.......






    More than likely an Obama victory but wouldn't be surprised if Romney pulls it out. Either way we ALL lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Ummmm...most everything you listed actually are socialist programs or laws by definition. They wreak of big government and most all of them come at a cost to the American taxpayer. No, everything that Obama has done has not been awful but I stand in firm disagreement with most everything that you just lauded as "accomplishments". These "accomplishments" cost me more every day when I pay for gas, health insurance, food, taxes, and even chewing tobacco ($8.50 a pack, WTF?). Thanks but no thanks.

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    Socialist ? What ? The roads you travel to work everyday is that socialist? What if your house is burning down and you call Fire rescue ? is that socialist ? How about if you don't have health insurance but you have an heart attack and you call an ambulance and they rush you to the ER and they have to treat you ? Is that socialist ?

    Tell me what I posted above you consider socialist ?

    You can actually go to this http://www.whitehouse.gov/2011-taxreceipt and type in your annual salary in you can see your tax dollars at work. But of course you wont! You rather keep believing what you have been condition to believe.

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    As you can see as much as you would like to believe his policies are socialist which they are not, all these were in place and existence before him,

    National Defense accounts for 24.9% of your tax dollars - Is this socialism ??

    Military personnel salaries and benefits 5.8%
    Ongoing operations, equipment, and supplies 10.3%
    Research, development, weapons, and construction 7.9%
    Atomic energy defense activities 0.7%
    Defense-related FBI activities and additional national defense 0.2%


    Health care Accounts for 23.7% of your tax dollars- Is this socialism?

    Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)10.0%
    Medicare physician, prescription drug, and other payments 10.5%
    Health research and food safety 1.4%
    Disease control and public health services 0.8%
    COBRA tax credit and additional health care activities 0.9%


    Job and Family Security 19.1% of your tax dollars. is this Socialism ?

    Unemployment insurance 2.3%
    Food and nutrition assistance 3.7%
    Housing assistance 2.0%
    Earned income, Making Work Pay, and child tax credits 3.3%
    Supplemental Security Income 1.9%
    Federal military and civilian employee retirement and disability 4.4%
    Child care, foster care, and adoption support 0.6%
    Temporary Assistance for Needy Families 0.7%
    Railroad retirement and additional income security 0.5%

    Education and Job Training 3.6%of your tax dollars - Is This Socialism?

    Elementary, secondary, and vocational education 2.4%
    Student financial aid for college 0.04%
    Job training and employment services 0.3%
    Employment training for people with disabilities and additional education and job services 0.9%

    Veterans Benefits 4.5%- of your tax dollars. Is This Socialism ?

    Income and housing support 2.1%
    Health care 1.8%
    Education, training, and additional veterans benefits 0.6%


    Natural Resources, Energy, and Environment- of your tax dollars 2.0%


    Water and land management 0.8%
    Energy supply and conservation 0.5%
    Environmental protection and other energy and natural resources 0.7%



    International Affairs 1.6%- of your tax dollars

    Development and humanitarian assistance 0.8%
    Security assistance 0.4%
    Foreign affairs, embassies, and additional international affairs 0.4%

    Science, Space, and Technology Programs -of your tax dollars 1.0%

    NASA0.6%
    National Science Foundation and additional science research and laboratories 0.4%
    Immigration, Law Enforcement, and Administration of Justice 2.0%
    Agriculture 0.7%
    Community, Area, and Regional Development 0.5%
    Response to Natural Disasters 0.4%
    Additional Government Programs 7.9%

    Net Interest 8.1%

    This is where all the tax dollar we currently collect all of them have been in place for decades now, now tell me where you see socialism?


    So you're not upset with the military industrial complex raping you for 26% of your salary, but yet you're mad about a couple of cents of a tabaco product that's been proven to kill you. SMDH
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    There are no socialists in American government. If you think there are you don't understand the economics of the country or the political process. Mixed capitalism does not equal socialism, the same way off-white does not equal black.
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    I don't advocate some anarchist capitalist state with no government but very strongly believe in the US Constitution which clearly states what should be handled by the federal government and what should be delegated to the states. When Obama or anyone else advocates over-reaching the powers specifically assigned to the federal government, I have a real problem with it. I believe that the tenth amendment is one of the most important aspects of the constitution. For what it is worth, outside of maintaining the most well-equipped and best trained military on the planet, providing strong foreign affairs and leadership, and providing BASIC regulation of interstate commerce, I don't think that the federal government has any business sticking its nose into much else. Our founding fathers never had any intention for the federal government being involved in anywhere near what they are right now.

    Also, let me help you out here with a definition of Socialism from Merriam-Webster: Socialism is any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. Socialism is not a political designation, it is an economic designation. We are not a Socialist nation, we are a capitalist nation. Thus, every time that the federal governement steps in and interferes with the economy through unnecessary regulation, taxation, "assistance", etc. it is a movement in a socialist direction as it move toward government ownership or administration of the means of production or the distribution of goods or services.

    With that, I will try to address each of the myriad items that you brought up.

    Socialist ? What ? The roads you travel to work everyday is that socialist? What if your house is burning down and you call Fire rescue ? is that socialist ? How about if you don't have health insurance but you have an heart attack and you call an ambulance and they rush you to the ER and they have to treat you ? Is that socialist ?

    Outside of interstates, which fall under interstate commerce, roads are a matter of the states interest and should have nothing to do with the federal government. Police and fire deapartments belong to local governments (except for specialized departments such as FBI, Federal Marshalls, State Police, Highway Patrol, etc.) and the federal and most of the time state government should have nothing to do with them. I do have health insurance and any government intervention into healthcare is, by the definition above, socialist.


    Tell me what I posted above you consider socialist ?

    See above

    You can actually go to this http://www.whitehouse.gov/2011-taxreceipt and type in your annual salary in you can see your tax dollars at work. But of course you wont! You rather keep believing what you have been condition to believe.

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    As you can see as much as you would like to believe his policies are socialist which they are not, all these were in place and existence before him,

    National Defense accounts for 24.9% of your tax dollars - Is this socialism ?? As I said above, national defense is one of the specific roles assigned to the federal governement and it should be the largest expenditure for the federal government by a long shot.

    Military personnel salaries and benefits 5.8%
    Ongoing operations, equipment, and supplies 10.3%
    Research, development, weapons, and construction 7.9%
    Atomic energy defense activities 0.7%
    Defense-related FBI activities and additional national defense 0.2%


    Health care Accounts for 23.7% of your tax dollars- Is this socialism? This is absolutely and unquestionably socialism as healthcare is a service. Governement intervention into the ownership, means of payment, or delivery of healthcare services is absolutely "...advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods." Furthermore, the federal government has absolutely no constitutional right to intervene in healthcare whatsoever. Any intervention should take place at the state level along with the vast majority of the regulation. By definition, Obamacare is 100% socialist in its concept and execution. Healthcare should account for 0% of our federal tax dollars.

    Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)10.0%
    Medicare physician, prescription drug, and other payments 10.5%
    Health research and food safety 1.4%
    Disease control and public health services 0.8%
    COBRA tax credit and additional health care activities 0.9%


    Job and Family Security 19.1% of your tax dollars. is this Socialism? Again, job and family security should fall to the states. The federal government has no constitutional role here. Outside of expenditures for federal employees and their agreed-upon benefits/retirement, all of these expenditures should be zero. Government intervention into the economy and into people's wellbeing is indirectly socialist by definition but is entirely socialist by intention.
    Unemployment insurance 2.3%
    Food and nutrition assistance 3.7%
    Housing assistance 2.0%
    Earned income, Making Work Pay, and child tax credits 3.3%
    Supplemental Security Income 1.9%
    Federal military and civilian employee retirement and disability 4.4%
    Child care, foster care, and adoption support 0.6%
    Temporary Assistance for Needy Families 0.7%
    Railroad retirement and additional income security 0.5%

    Education and Job Training 3.6%of your tax dollars - Is This Socialism? Intervention into education is a fairly recent takeover by the federal government. Again, they have no constitutional role in education and have essentially stolen this right from the states. This, too, is indirectly socialist because it is not a direct governemntal interdiction into the economy but it certainly lays the framework for the collective mindset to be indoctrinated through the school system. This, to me, is one of the most dangerous socialist adgendas. As you might expect, this should not be part of the federal budget and should account for 0%.

    Elementary, secondary, and vocational education 2.4%
    Student financial aid for college 0.04%
    Job training and employment services 0.3%
    Employment training for people with disabilities and additional education and job services 0.9%

    Veterans Benefits 4.5%- of your tax dollars. Is This Socialism ? Veteran's benefits fall underneath maintaining the world's greatest military and is absolutely a power granted to the federal government by the constitution.

    Income and housing support 2.1%
    Health care 1.8%
    Education, training, and additional veterans benefits 0.6%


    Natural Resources, Energy, and Environment- of your tax dollars 2.0% - Although I do believe that some BASIC regulation is necessary regarding natural resources, energy, and the environment, the monstrosities that have become the DOE, DNR, and EPA are an abomination of the constitution. In every way imaginable, they affect theadministration of the means of production and distribution of goods. This is as socialist as it comes outside of direct government ownership. These agencies should be gutted and their budget should be about 1/10 of what they are.


    Water and land management 0.8%
    Energy supply and conservation 0.5%
    Environmental protection and other energy and natural resources 0.7%



    International Affairs 1.6%- of your tax dollars - Authority over international affairs is specifically granted to the federal government by the constitution. Although we could argue about the specific strategies and execution of international affairs, it is the federal government's job to attend to this.

    Development and humanitarian assistance 0.8%
    Security assistance 0.4%
    Foreign affairs, embassies, and additional international affairs 0.4%

    Science, Space, and Technology Programs -of your tax dollars 1.0% - This could be a slippery slope because many of these programs overlap the military and private interests. It is one of the few places that I advocate goverment participation with the private sector (See, I am not a complete capitalist pig!). As the private sector has become more and more capable of reaching space, I think that more of these expenditures can be transitioned to them. However, a private/public partnership will always be necessary here.

    NASA0.6%
    National Science Foundation and additional science research and laboratories 0.4%
    Immigration, Law Enforcement, and Administration of Justice 2.0% - Immigration should be a cooperation between the states and federal government where individual states can add to but not subtract from the federal laws regarding who enters the US.
    Agriculture 0.7% - Another slippery slope, very basic regulation needed but current over-reach by USDA and "food police" is very socialist/collectivist by nature and design. The federal governement and really all government have no business here.
    Community, Area, and Regional Development 0.5% - The federal governement has no business in any type of community, area, or regional development. If there is a market to develop it, it will get developed. Again, this is an intervention into the administration or delivery of goods...socialist.
    Response to Natural Disasters 0.4% - A slippery slope as there is no constitutional basis for disater response nor any clear cut guidelines as to what that response should or shouldn't be. The disproportionate responses to the South Florida hurricanes vs. Katrina and Sandy are cases in point. If FEMA exists, it should have a very well defined role and budget. It should act as an insurance program funded by the states not a welfare program and political tool. It should most definitely not be used to rebuild homes for people who chose not to properly insure their homes or to bail out state/local/city goverments who failed to institute proper infrastructure, procedures and policies to keep their citizens safe in an emergency.
    Additional Government Programs 7.9% - Most of this can be scrapped as it is almost all intervention where the federal government has no authority or business.

    Net Interest 8.1% - This will continue to grow in proportion to the above line items unless we get our spending under control. Once the programs and agaencies are eliminated that should have never existed in the first place, we won't have to concern ourselves with taxing everyone into oblivion.

    This is where all the tax dollar we currently collect all of them have been in place for decades now, now tell me where you see socialism? I think I made my point above quite clear.


    So you're not upset with the military industrial complex raping you for 26% of your salary, but yet you're mad about a couple of cents of a tabaco product that's been proven to kill you. As far as I am concerned, the military budget should account for more than 50% of the budget. Not because we spend that much more money on it but because we eliminate spending money on things that the federal government has no business paying for in the first place. Furthermore, it is no one's business to tell me what to spend my money on whether it kills me or not. It is also no one else's responsibility to pay for my decision. If I get cancer, I will pay for the care. It is a socialist concept for the government to affect the availability or demand of a product. Stating the fact that tobacco is bad for you is a justification for socialist behavior but does not change the fact that it is socialist behavior. America was founded on personal freedom and personal responsibility not collective decision-making and collective responsibility. No system of economics or government is without problems but the American system of government and economics has proven to be one of if not the most effective in the history of the earth. I am not sure why any American would want to fundamentally change that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton View Post
    There are no socialists in American government. If you think there are you don't understand the economics of the country or the political process. Mixed capitalism does not equal socialism, the same way off-white does not equal black.
    I wouldn't say that there aren't any socialist in government as there are many that have serious socialist tendencies. However, I do agree that there are very few in this country who advocate pure socialism. By the same token, there are very few that advocate pure capitalism. I just believe that the needle should swing much closer to the capitalist side rather than the socialist side...keep the government out of as much as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    I don't advocate some anarchist capitalist state with no government but very strongly believe in the US Constitution which clearly states what should be handled by the federal government and what should be delegated to the states. When Obama or anyone else advocates over-reaching the powers specifically assigned to the federal government, I have a real problem with it. I believe that the tenth amendment is one of the most important aspects of the constitution. For what it is worth, outside of maintaining the most well-equipped and best trained military on the planet, providing strong foreign affairs and leadership, and providing BASIC regulation of interstate commerce, I don't think that the federal government has any business sticking its nose into much else. Our founding fathers never had any intention for the federal government being involved in anywhere near what they are right now.

    Also, let me help you out here with a definition of Socialism from Merriam-Webster: Socialism is any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. Socialism is not a political designation, it is an economic designation. We are not a Socialist nation, we are a capitalist nation. Thus, every time that the federal governement steps in and interferes with the economy through unnecessary regulation, taxation, "assistance", etc. it is a movement in a socialist direction as it move toward government ownership or administration of the means of production or the distribution of goods or services.

    With that, I will try to address each of the myriad items that you brought up.

    Socialist ? What ? The roads you travel to work everyday is that socialist? What if your house is burning down and you call Fire rescue ? is that socialist ? How about if you don't have health insurance but you have an heart attack and you call an ambulance and they rush you to the ER and they have to treat you ? Is that socialist ?

    Outside of interstates, which fall under interstate commerce, roads are a matter of the states interest and should have nothing to do with the federal government. Police and fire deapartments belong to local governments (except for specialized departments such as FBI, Federal Marshalls, State Police, Highway Patrol, etc.) and the federal and most of the time state government should have nothing to do with them. I do have health insurance and any government intervention into healthcare is, by the definition above, socialist.


    Tell me what I posted above you consider socialist ?

    See above

    You can actually go to this http://www.whitehouse.gov/2011-taxreceipt and type in your annual salary in you can see your tax dollars at work. But of course you wont! You rather keep believing what you have been condition to believe.

    Attachment 9423

    As you can see as much as you would like to believe his policies are socialist which they are not, all these were in place and existence before him,

    National Defense accounts for 24.9% of your tax dollars - Is this socialism ?? As I said above, national defense is one of the specific roles assigned to the federal governement and it should be the largest expenditure for the federal government by a long shot.

    Military personnel salaries and benefits 5.8%
    Ongoing operations, equipment, and supplies 10.3%
    Research, development, weapons, and construction 7.9%
    Atomic energy defense activities 0.7%
    Defense-related FBI activities and additional national defense 0.2%


    Health care Accounts for 23.7% of your tax dollars- Is this socialism? This is absolutely and unquestionably socialism as healthcare is a service. Governement intervention into the ownership, means of payment, or delivery of healthcare services is absolutely "...advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods." Furthermore, the federal government has absolutely no constitutional right to intervene in healthcare whatsoever. Any intervention should take place at the state level along with the vast majority of the regulation. By definition, Obamacare is 100% socialist in its concept and execution. Healthcare should account for 0% of our federal tax dollars.

    Medicaid and Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)10.0%
    Medicare physician, prescription drug, and other payments 10.5%
    Health research and food safety 1.4%
    Disease control and public health services 0.8%
    COBRA tax credit and additional health care activities 0.9%


    Job and Family Security 19.1% of your tax dollars. is this Socialism? Again, job and family security should fall to the states. The federal government has no constitutional role here. Outside of expenditures for federal employees and their agreed-upon benefits/retirement, all of these expenditures should be zero. Government intervention into the economy and into people's wellbeing is indirectly socialist by definition but is entirely socialist by intention.
    Unemployment insurance 2.3%
    Food and nutrition assistance 3.7%
    Housing assistance 2.0%
    Earned income, Making Work Pay, and child tax credits 3.3%
    Supplemental Security Income 1.9%
    Federal military and civilian employee retirement and disability 4.4%
    Child care, foster care, and adoption support 0.6%
    Temporary Assistance for Needy Families 0.7%
    Railroad retirement and additional income security 0.5%

    Education and Job Training 3.6%of your tax dollars - Is This Socialism? Intervention into education is a fairly recent takeover by the federal government. Again, they have no constitutional role in education and have essentially stolen this right from the states. This, too, is indirectly socialist because it is not a direct governemntal interdiction into the economy but it certainly lays the framework for the collective mindset to be indoctrinated through the school system. This, to me, is one of the most dangerous socialist adgendas. As you might expect, this should not be part of the federal budget and should account for 0%.

    Elementary, secondary, and vocational education 2.4%
    Student financial aid for college 0.04%
    Job training and employment services 0.3%
    Employment training for people with disabilities and additional education and job services 0.9%

    Veterans Benefits 4.5%- of your tax dollars. Is This Socialism ? Veteran's benefits fall underneath maintaining the world's greatest military and is absolutely a power granted to the federal government by the constitution.

    Income and housing support 2.1%
    Health care 1.8%
    Education, training, and additional veterans benefits 0.6%


    Natural Resources, Energy, and Environment- of your tax dollars 2.0% - Although I do believe that some BASIC regulation is necessary regarding natural resources, energy, and the environment, the monstrosities that have become the DOE, DNR, and EPA are an abomination of the constitution. In every way imaginable, they affect theadministration of the means of production and distribution of goods. This is as socialist as it comes outside of direct government ownership. These agencies should be gutted and their budget should be about 1/10 of what they are.


    Water and land management 0.8%
    Energy supply and conservation 0.5%
    Environmental protection and other energy and natural resources 0.7%



    International Affairs 1.6%- of your tax dollars - Authority over international affairs is specifically granted to the federal government by the constitution. Although we could argue about the specific strategies and execution of international affairs, it is the federal government's job to attend to this.

    Development and humanitarian assistance 0.8%
    Security assistance 0.4%
    Foreign affairs, embassies, and additional international affairs 0.4%

    Science, Space, and Technology Programs -of your tax dollars 1.0% - This could be a slippery slope because many of these programs overlap the military and private interests. It is one of the few places that I advocate goverment participation with the private sector (See, I am not a complete capitalist pig!). As the private sector has become more and more capable of reaching space, I think that more of these expenditures can be transitioned to them. However, a private/public partnership will always be necessary here.

    NASA0.6%
    National Science Foundation and additional science research and laboratories 0.4%
    Immigration, Law Enforcement, and Administration of Justice 2.0% - Immigration should be a cooperation between the states and federal government where individual states can add to but not subtract from the federal laws regarding who enters the US.
    Agriculture 0.7% - Another slippery slope, very basic regulation needed but current over-reach by USDA and "food police" is very socialist/collectivist by nature and design. The federal governement and really all government have no business here.
    Community, Area, and Regional Development 0.5% - The federal governement has no business in any type of community, area, or regional development. If there is a market to develop it, it will get developed. Again, this is an intervention into the administration or delivery of goods...socialist.
    Response to Natural Disasters 0.4% - A slippery slope as there is no constitutional basis for disater response nor any clear cut guidelines as to what that response should or shouldn't be. The disproportionate responses to the South Florida hurricanes vs. Katrina and Sandy are cases in point. If FEMA exists, it should have a very well defined role and budget. It should act as an insurance program funded by the states not a welfare program and political tool. It should most definitely not be used to rebuild homes for people who chose not to properly insure their homes or to bail out state/local/city goverments who failed to institute proper infrastructure, procedures and policies to keep their citizens safe in an emergency.
    Additional Government Programs 7.9% - Most of this can be scrapped as it is almost all intervention where the federal government has no authority or business.

    Net Interest 8.1% - This will continue to grow in proportion to the above line items unless we get our spending under control. Once the programs and agaencies are eliminated that should have never existed in the first place, we won't have to concern ourselves with taxing everyone into oblivion.

    This is where all the tax dollar we currently collect all of them have been in place for decades now, now tell me where you see socialism? I think I made my point above quite clear.


    So you're not upset with the military industrial complex raping you for 26% of your salary, but yet you're mad about a couple of cents of a tabaco product that's been proven to kill you. As far as I am concerned, the military budget should account for more than 50% of the budget. Not because we spend that much more money on it but because we eliminate spending money on things that the federal government has no business paying for in the first place. Furthermore, it is no one's business to tell me what to spend my money on whether it kills me or not. It is also no one else's responsibility to pay for my decision. If I get cancer, I will pay for the care. It is a socialist concept for the government to affect the availability or demand of a product. Stating the fact that tobacco is bad for you is a justification for socialist behavior but does not change the fact that it is socialist behavior. America was founded on personal freedom and personal responsibility not collective decision-making and collective responsibility. No system of economics or government is without problems but the American system of government and economics has proven to be one of if not the most effective in the history of the earth. I am not sure why any American would want to fundamentally change that?

    Why bother! Aight dude. You got it..
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