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Thread: Slimm's November 2013 NFL Draft Position Rankings (Seniors)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVDolphan View Post
    Ive watched every game Genos myth has played in college. He cant play in the NFL. He is nowhere close to Blaine Gabbert. He isnt even as good as Bob Griffin.

    I've also watched every game Geno has played in college... most of 'em several times over in fact. That's typically what I'm doing while most of you are watching the NFL.

    You're right about one thing... he's nowhere close to Blaine Gabbert. Geno can actually produce in college, doesn't bail the pocket against a 3 man rush, and doesn't try to deliver passes with his eyes closed.






    Considering Griffin and Cam Newton were both essentially "garbage you wouldn't waste a 7th rounder on", Geno has to be close in your estimation.
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    Barkley's perception seems to have taken a fairly big hit wouldn't you say Slimm? I mean, he's still a good QB prospect but it doesn't seem like anybody really loves him as much as they did last year. USC was probably overrated going into the year (or the Pac-12 was vastly underrated... or both), but it doesn't really seem like Barkley took that next step with everybody watching you like Andrew Luck did. Hell even a guy like Leinart (who was a lock for number 1 pick had he come out) didn't really lose a beat on the field, people noticed more weaknesses but he fell more cause of his attitude (ie love for parties)

    Now obviously Barkley is still probably the number 1 overall pick, and top 5 at worst, and I know he's having a fairly good year. But man, can't help but be a little disappointed in how he's played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChambersWI View Post
    Barkley's perception seems to have taken a fairly big hit wouldn't you say Slimm? I mean, he's still a good QB prospect but it doesn't seem like anybody really loves him as much as they did last year. USC was probably overrated going into the year (or the Pac-12 was vastly underrated... or both), but it doesn't really seem like Barkley took that next step with everybody watching you like Andrew Luck did. Hell even a guy like Leinart (who was a lock for number 1 pick had he come out) didn't really lose a beat on the field, people noticed more weaknesses but he fell more cause of his attitude (ie love for parties)

    Now obviously Barkley is still probably the number 1 overall pick, and top 5 at worst, and I know he's having a fairly good year. But man, can't help but be a little disappointed in how he's played.

    The way I see it is that Barkley simply can't overwhelm scouts with physical tools or athletic ability the way Cam Newton can, but if you appreciate the subtleties and fine details of how to play the quarterback position.... Matt Barkley has no peers.

    A lot of people were high on Logan Thomas because of physical tools, nothing else. This kid currently has no clue how to play the quarterback position at a level consistent with a good college quarterback, much less at an NFL level. Tyler Bray is good against bad defenses. In other words, the lack of NFL ready underclassman QB's this year will keep the stock fairly steady for the top Seniors like Matt Barkley.

    I'm not sure he deserves to be the #1 overall pick, because there's defensive talent that more legitimately warrants being taken that high... but it's a quarterback league now and teams know they have to draft them early, perhaps passing up better players in the process.

    Barkley has actually played extremely well this year. He's still completing over 65% of his passes and already thrown 30 TD's. He's had a couple of rough stretches along the way this year, but it's not all his fault. As good as Marquise Lee is, he still has lapses in concentration and drops easy passes that would be TD's on perfectly thrown passes from Barkley.

    Barkley mainly struggled against Stanford because the best Senior center prospect in the draft went out with injury (Khaled Holmes) and they had to replace him with a freshman who couldn't make the line calls. Stanford blitzed and brought pressure in the A gaps directly over that freshman center every play....he couldn't even provide any resistance.... I don't see a QB in the NFL that wouldn't have a bad game behind that.

    Started out rough against Utah because Holmes was rusty, and nervous lined up face mask to face mask with Star Lotulelei. He was so distracted by Star that he couldn't even get a functional snap to Barkley. However, Barkley's leadership and poise took over that game as he went on to lead USC to a 38-28 win. Lotulelei is one of those defensive players that deserve consideration for the #1 overall pick.

    I understand what you're saying. The "hype" and noise surrounding Barkley has tailed off, but he didn't forget how to play quarterback. It's the details and consistency from the ground up that makes you appreciate Matt Barkley. Those who are typically only ever concerned with physical tools and nothing else when it comes to quarterbacks aren't going to attach themselves to a technician like Matt Barkley as the clear cut best option in the draft.
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    I've watched Barkley this year and I think he looks just as good as last year and I think his deep ball has improved. He's not going to wow you with physical tools like Slimm said but he's fundamentally sound and he has a very good grasp on reading defenses and finding favorable matchups in the passing game.

    I don't know if he's the first QB taken cause Geno Smith has the physical tools to wow you and he's playing pretty well. Would depend on the GM and how much value they place on the athleticism but Barkley is top 5 IMO. Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson would be the only other two QBs I would consider and Wilson will probably slip down in the draft cause he's not having a great year but I still like him as a prospect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedSlimmJr View Post
    The way I see it is that Barkley simply can't overwhelm scouts with physical tools or athletic ability the way Cam Newton can, but if you appreciate the subtleties and fine details of how to play the quarterback position.... Matt Barkley has no peers.

    A lot of people were high on Logan Thomas because of physical tools, nothing else. This kid currently has no clue how to play the quarterback position at a level consistent with a good college quarterback, much less at an NFL level. Tyler Bray is good against bad defenses. In other words, the lack of NFL ready underclassman QB's this year will keep the stock fairly steady for the top Seniors like Matt Barkley.

    I'm not sure he deserves to be the #1 overall pick, because there's defensive talent that more legitimately warrants being taken that high... but it's a quarterback league now and teams know they have to draft them early, perhaps passing up better players in the process.

    Barkley has actually played extremely well this year. He's still completing over 65% of his passes and already thrown 30 TD's. He's had a couple of rough stretches along the way this year, but it's not all his fault. As good as Marquise Lee is, he still has lapses in concentration and drops easy passes that would be TD's on perfectly thrown passes from Barkley.

    Barkley mainly struggled against Stanford because the best Senior center prospect in the draft went out with injury (Khaled Holmes) and they had to replace him with a freshman who couldn't make the line calls. Stanford blitzed and brought pressure in the A gaps directly over that freshman center every play....he couldn't even provide any resistance.... I don't see a QB in the NFL that wouldn't have a bad game behind that.

    Started out rough against Utah because Holmes was rusty, and nervous lined up face mask to face mask with Star Lotulelei. He was so distracted by Star that he couldn't even get a functional snap to Barkley. However, Barkley's leadership and poise took over that game as he went on to lead USC to a 38-28 win. Lotulelei is one of those defensive players that deserve consideration for the #1 overall pick.

    I understand what you're saying. The "hype" and noise surrounding Barkley has tailed off, but he didn't forget how to play quarterback. It's the details and consistency from the ground up that makes you appreciate Matt Barkley. Those who are typically only ever concerned with physical tools and nothing else when it comes to quarterbacks aren't going to attach themselves to a technician like Matt Barkley as the clear cut best option in the draft.
    oh I agree. I just think people expected USC to run away with the Pac 12 and underestimated how good some teams were. Stanford may not have Luck anymore, but they are loaded on defense (including 2 of my favorite on defense in Shane Skov and Chase Thomas) and Coach Shaw has loaded up on OL (They lost good OL in the draft in Martin and DeCastro, but he got some good young guys in Josh Garnett, Kyle Murphy, Andrus Peat, and Graham Shular). I also think people forgot how loaded Oregon is. Plus some of the teams that have been cupcakes are much better coached this year. I think people are just gonna look at USC's "disappointing" season and conclude Barkley can't handle pressure.

    I'm still kind of unsure whose going number 1. I've concluded that the only team a lock to take a QB is KC. If Gene Smith doesn't lose his job in Jacksonville, I think he'll give Blaine Gabbert another go. I think the Bills and Raiders would love QBs as well.
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    Kansas City is a lock to take a QB, they have the #1 pick right now. Then it gets interesting...Jacksonville, Cleveland, Carolina and New Orleans are the next 4 and like Chambers said if Jacksonville keeps their GM I think the give Blaine Gabbert another year, the other teams already have their QBs. Then you have Oakland, St. Louis (from the Redskins), Jets, Tennessee and St. Louis again. Not sure about Oakland but I can certainly see the Jets taking a QB here.
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    well with Reggie McKenzie the GM in Oakland, I could see them going QB. Carson Palmer isn't really young, and they don't really have a good backup plan.

    As of right now, I'd put the QB picks like this...
    Chiefs-Geno Smith
    Raiders-Matt Barkley
    Bills-Tyler Wilson

    Unless they can get Geno Smith, I don't see the Jets going QB. I can honestly see them shying away from taking another USC kid, and I don't think Wilson is "sexy" enough for Woody Johnson. They're all about stealing the headlines. Barkley would garner headlines but again, I think the organization is (for lack of a better word) dumb enough to say Sanchez failing=Barkley failing. The media isn't gonna care about Tyler Wilson so they'll be all in for Geno.

    Now I could see the Jets falling in love with Tyler Bray because he's got a big mouth of his own.
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    lol, would love to see Tyler Bray drafted by the Jets.
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    I mean seriously look at moves the Jets have made since Ryan has been head coach.

    Bart Scott-Loud mouth
    Cromartie- Cro fits as a nickname in so many ways
    Braylon Edwards-Love my Michigan men, but he talks
    Santonio Holmes-Talks
    LT-Classy guy, but he talks
    Plaxico-Talks a lot
    Kyle Wilson-Talks
    Nick Folk- A Freaking Kicker that loves to talk
    Laron Landry-Loves to talk
    Tebow-Doesn't talk but gets media attention

    That doesn't even mention Rex whose never met a microphone he didn't like. Tyler Bray is one of the cockiest SOB's I've seen in recent years (and even got heat for his X celebration he did as a freshmen). Based on moves that team makes, can't you see them foaming at the mouth at the chance of getting a kid who would have no problem coming out and talking about beating Brady and the Pats, or proving Eli isn't the best QB in New York?
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    Oh Bray is a perfect fit personality wise with the Jets. I would love it if the Jets drafted him, plus I think he's not very good and that just makes it even better.
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