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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYDOLFAN305 View Post
    I was referring to buddy's comment "As far as I am concerned, the military budget should account for more than 50% of the budget."

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    Make sure that you read that quote entirely and understand it before you make your mind up that I am crazy...well at least crazy about that. I do think that the military should account for about 50% of the budget but don't want to spend any more on it than we already do. I just want to cut that much of our spending on all of these Department of BS this and Department of BS that. Cut the Federal Government down about 40% as well as most all entitlements originating at the Federal level and delegate it back to the states where it was supposed to be in the first place. Yeah, yeah, I know...more conservative BS...y'all won the election...whatever. Just because everyone else thinks I am crazy does not mean that I am not right. Also, please don't go down the road that I have been influenced by Limabaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. as they piss me off almost as much as they do you. I am and always have been a true conservative...small Federal government, personal responsibility, and MYOB!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolphins9954 View Post
    I agree that there are shenanigans with the uber rich and taxes. They fund both parties heavily and get hooked up for it. That simple. However the taxes debate is a smokescreen to distract from the fact that our government is totally irresponsible and reckless with our money. You want to raise taxes fine. But if you don't use that money to balance the budget and pay off the debt then you're a douche.
    In all honesty, I wouldn't have a problem with them raising taxes to reduce the debt IF they cut spending to the bone first. I adamantly refuse to pay higher taxes because the buffoons we have had in Washington - all of them...Bush, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, Waters, Boxer, Frank, Dodd...ALL OF THEM! - are too irresponsible to operate within the nation's income. I vote Republican as a default but wish like heck that I had the choice of someone who was fiscally conservative as heck that couldn't care less about social issues...let people do whatever they want to do (within the law) as long as they are responsible for the consequences. If you want to marry a dude, marry a dude. If you want to get high, get high. If you want to kill your baby, have at it. However, you have to live with the consequences and pay for them. That includes medical care for AIDS, drug addiction, abortion, depression, whatever. You get to go to jail for driving stoned. You also get to stand before God and be accountable for your decisions. God gives you the choice to do what you want and I don't figure that I have the right to take that choice away, everyone just has to be accountable for those choices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Make sure that you read that quote entirely and understand it before you make your mind up that I am crazy...well at least crazy about that. I do think that the military should account for about 50% of the budget but don't want to spend any more on it than we already do. I just want to cut that much of our spending on all of these Department of BS this and Department of BS that. Cut the Federal Government down about 40% as well as most all entitlements originating at the Federal level and delegate it back to the states where it was supposed to be in the first place. Yeah, yeah, I know...more conservative BS...y'all won the election...whatever. Just because everyone else thinks I am crazy does not mean that I am not right. Also, please don't go down the road that I have been influenced by Limabaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. as they piss me off almost as much as they do you. I am and always have been a true conservative...small Federal government, personal responsibility, and MYOB!
    I guess we can agree to disagree on what the roll of the federal government is.

    But what I don't get is how do you think the military is more valuable than say social security? Social Security provides more than half of the total income for almost 2/3 of households comprised exclusively of those aged 65 and older And at least 90% of income for a 1/3 of those 65 and older. So just screw them they should be on their own? Do you understand why the safety net which is SS was design for?

    More than half of all women 65 or older are widowed, divorced or never married. These women rely on Social Security for 71% of their income, compared with 64% for similar men. And 1 out of 4 relies on Social Security for all her income. Social Security keeps 42% of unmarried, older women who receive its benefits out of poverty.
    Unmarried African American women receiving benefits rely on Social Security for 79% of their income, Unmarried Hispanic women count on it for 80% of their income. What do you consciously suggest we do for these old hags? Do they deserve to live their dying days with dignity?

    What If you become severely disabled and can no longer work? As a citizen you don't deserve help from your government ?

    How about the one in three of all Social Security beneficiaries are receiving disability or survivor benefits. Social Security is the nation’s largest and most generous program for disabled workers, providing 8.3 million with benefits. It is also the nation’s largest and most generous children’s program serving 4.4 million children. State's can't handle that load.

    And here's the facts, Social Security does not contribute a penny to the federal deficit. In fact it currently enjoys a $2.6 trillion surplus that will grow to $4.3 trillion by 2025. Social Security has its own dedicated revenue stream described above. And Social Security is forbidden by law from borrowing, so it cannot deficit spend.

    A General Welfare clause is a section that appeared in the constitution, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people, sometimes worded as the public welfare. In this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder.

    So you subscribe to the libertarian Paul Ryan crowd? Leave everything to the states?

    And since we already spend more on defense then the next 16 nations combine ? So the military industrial complex, you don't consider that an entitlement? Or that's just one that you are fine with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddy View Post
    Make sure that you read that quote entirely and understand it before you make your mind up that I am crazy...well at least crazy about that. I do think that the military should account for about 50% of the budget but don't want to spend any more on it than we already do. I just want to cut that much of our spending on all of these Department of BS this and Department of BS that. Cut the Federal Government down about 40% as well as most all entitlements originating at the Federal level and delegate it back to the states where it was supposed to be in the first place. Yeah, yeah, I know...more conservative BS...y'all won the election...whatever. Just because everyone else thinks I am crazy does not mean that I am not right. Also, please don't go down the road that I have been influenced by Limabaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. as they piss me off almost as much as they do you. I am and always have been a true conservative...small Federal government, personal responsibility, and MYOB!
    So you are essentially saying a budget of 1400 billion of which half would go to defense in a world where we control the largest nuclear deterrence and most powerful nations do not want a huge wars because all major economies are interconnected. Yay talk about a wise use of your money. At least Ron Paul acolytes cut defense and its' oversized wasteful budget.

    -The lifelong blue collar worker whose body at 70 is breaking down and cannot earn his wage. SCREW him he has to work until he dies since otherwise he isn't eating.
    -Grandma got sick. Take her out the back and shoot her. She has no more health insurance under your plan and no income because social security is gone!
    -God forbid you have a child with a disability or you develop a disability that makes it impossible to work. I guess it is time for a church fundraiser, because you have no more income.

    These conservative small government utopia fantasies really make me laugh. Completely unrealistic.
    I know I know we will shift all these costs to the states which will need to now jack up state taxes to 40% to cover the shortfall and all these new entitlements.
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    The Richer You Are, The More Tax Breaks You Get! (Non Partisan) Independent Study!

    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYDOLFAN305 View Post
    I guess we can agree to disagree on what the roll of the federal government is.

    But what I don't get is how do you think the military is more valuable than say social security? Social Security provides more than half of the total income for almost 2/3 of households comprised exclusively of those aged 65 and older And at least 90% of income for a 1/3 of those 65 and older. So just screw them they should be on their own? Do you understand why the safety net which is SS was design for?

    More than half of all women 65 or older are widowed, divorced or never married. These women rely on Social Security for 71% of their income, compared with 64% for similar men. And 1 out of 4 relies on Social Security for all her income. Social Security keeps 42% of unmarried, older women who receive its benefits out of poverty.
    Unmarried African American women receiving benefits rely on Social Security for 79% of their income, Unmarried Hispanic women count on it for 80% of their income. What do you consciously suggest we do for these old hags? Do they deserve to live their dying days with dignity?

    What If you become severely disabled and can no longer work? As a citizen you don't deserve help from your government ?

    How about the one in three of all Social Security beneficiaries are receiving disability or survivor benefits. Social Security is the nation’s largest and most generous program for disabled workers, providing 8.3 million with benefits. It is also the nation’s largest and most generous children’s program serving 4.4 million children. State's can't handle that load.

    And here's the facts, Social Security does not contribute a penny to the federal deficit. In fact it currently enjoys a $2.6 trillion surplus that will grow to $4.3 trillion by 2025. Social Security has its own dedicated revenue stream described above. And Social Security is forbidden by law from borrowing, so it cannot deficit spend.

    A General Welfare clause is a section that appeared in the constitution, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people, sometimes worded as the public welfare. In this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder.

    So you subscribe to the libertarian Paul Ryan crowd? Leave everything to the states?

    And since we already spend more on defense then the next 16 nations combine ? So the military industrial complex, you don't consider that an entitlement? Or that's just one that you are fine with?
    I agree with Paul Ryan on most fiscal issues and sticking to the role of government specified in the constitution but don't agree with him on most things past that.

    No I don't have a huge problem with Social Security because disbursements are fairly proportional to a person's input. I agree that it should continue to run at a surplus and should not be commingled with the general budget. You may not believe it, but I am quite generous and compassionate...I would be the last one to let anytime else suffer but I will hold people accountable. I also have no problem with disability SSI or death benefits for kids or spouses.

    My point is this, we need to reign in spending dramatically. That includes the military too. The military is just going to always command the lions share of the budget, IMO. It isn't going to happen anytime soon so don't worry about it. It wasn't going to happen under Romney either. I am like a dinosaur, people don't think like me much anymore.

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    @ you comparing the military to Social Secruity.

    That post is all fail.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Phinatic8u View Post
    @ you comparing the military to Social Secruity.

    That post is all fail.
    You're a ****ing joke, you don't have **** to say that's even worth responding to. If you place more value on the military industrial complex, than human life, that says it all. I thought you people were pro-life? I guess love the fetus but forget the mother. ****ing Jokers! That's why you will continue to lose elections. You just will never get it..
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    The top earners should get more tax breaks. We provide people like you with jobs at Hobby Lobby unloading trucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CRAZYDOLFAN305 View Post
    I guess we can agree to disagree on what the roll of the federal government is.

    But what I don't get is how do you think the military is more valuable than say social security? Social Security provides more than half of the total income for almost 2/3 of households comprised exclusively of those aged 65 and older And at least 90% of income for a 1/3 of those 65 and older. So just screw them they should be on their own? Do you understand why the safety net which is SS was design for?

    More than half of all women 65 or older are widowed, divorced or never married. These women rely on Social Security for 71% of their income, compared with 64% for similar men. And 1 out of 4 relies on Social Security for all her income. Social Security keeps 42% of unmarried, older women who receive its benefits out of poverty.
    Unmarried African American women receiving benefits rely on Social Security for 79% of their income, Unmarried Hispanic women count on it for 80% of their income. What do you consciously suggest we do for these old hags? Do they deserve to live their dying days with dignity?

    What If you become severely disabled and can no longer work? As a citizen you don't deserve help from your government ?

    How about the one in three of all Social Security beneficiaries are receiving disability or survivor benefits. Social Security is the nation’s largest and most generous program for disabled workers, providing 8.3 million with benefits. It is also the nation’s largest and most generous children’s program serving 4.4 million children. State's can't handle that load.

    And here's the facts, Social Security does not contribute a penny to the federal deficit. In fact it currently enjoys a $2.6 trillion surplus that will grow to $4.3 trillion by 2025. Social Security has its own dedicated revenue stream described above. And Social Security is forbidden by law from borrowing, so it cannot deficit spend.

    A General Welfare clause is a section that appeared in the constitution, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people, sometimes worded as the public welfare. In this has been used as a basis for legislation promoting the health, safety, morals, and well-being of the people governed thereunder.

    So you subscribe to the libertarian Paul Ryan crowd? Leave everything to the states?

    And since we already spend more on defense then the next 16 nations combine ? So the military industrial complex, you don't consider that an entitlement? Or that's just one that you are fine with?
    You think Paul Ryan is a libertarian? Do you have any clue what you're ranting about?

    Also, the Tenth Amendment.

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    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valandui View Post
    Also, the Tenth Amendment.
    Yeah, I have mentioned that pesky tenth amendment several times. Seems Crazy and most of the other Libs have a real problem with that one or they ignore it altogether.

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