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Thread: Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins enduring normal growing pains

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamC13 View Post
    It's become popular to say Luck has so much better talent around him than Tannehill but is that really true?

    Colts:

    Wayne = 69 catches, 112 attempts, 61.6% comp, 931 yards, 13.5 ypc, 8.31 ypa, 3 TD
    Avery = 38 catches, 75 attempts, 50.6% comp, 519 yards, 13.7 ypc, 6.92 ypa, 1 TD

    Combined = 107 catches, 187 attempts, 57.21% comp, 1450 yards, 13.55 ypc, 7.75 ypa, 4 TD...89.20 QB rating

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    Hartline = 53 catches, 87 attempts, 60.9% comp, 790 yards, 14.9 ypc, 9.08 ypa, 1 TD
    Bess = 48 catches, 81 attempts, 59.25% comp, 586 yards, 12.2 ypc, 7.23 ypa, 1 TD

    Combined = 101 catches, 168 attempts, 60.11% comp, 1376 yards, 13.62 ypc, 8.19 ypa, 2 TD...90.28 QB rating

    In addition Hartline/Bess have 380 yard after catch (yac) whereas Wayne/Avery only have 301 yac.

    And looking at Fasano who has been a decent pass-catching TE ONLY has 26 catches, 200 yards, 7.7 ypc...last year Fasano had 34 catches, 451 yards, 14.1 ypc, 5 TD...Fasano is only 28 so he should be entering his prime. Going from 14.1 ypc to 7.7 must have something to do with the QB. And keep in mind it was M. Moore throwing him the ball last year, not a Brady, Rodgers, Brees type of QB.

    My guess is if Luck had Hartline, Bess and Fasano and Tannehill had Wayne, Avery fans wouldn't be saying how much better talent Tannehill has. Just another poor excuse for a rookie QB who is struggling.
    Here is the thing, Wayne is going to be a HOF WR, Hartline and Bess are not. Even with similar stats, you can make the argument that Luck is relying on a great WR to help him out while Tannehill's skills are helping Hartline and Bess have career years. I think the similar stats is actually more a compliment to Tannehill then it is to Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamC13 View Post
    ... I hate facts when they don't agree with my point of view.

    I kept reading how Luck has all these weapons around him and Tannehill has none. So I put it to the test and looked up the numbers. The stats show that Tannehill's top two WR's have been equal to Luck's top two WR's...and if you factor in Luck being ahead of Tannehill as you claim and argument can be made that Hartline/Bess are better than Wayne/Avery since Wayne/Avery have the more advanced QB throwing to them. Where Luck separates himself imo is Luck can extend plays by moving around in the pocket and go through his progressions to find a 3rd or 4th receiver. Tannehill hasn't shown that skill yet.

    As for Fasano losing 6.4 ypc...ugh. Either has to be the OC taking the TE out of running deeper routes or a QB that isn't very good at utilizing him. I think it is the latter given Fasano has averaged 13.4, 10.9, 13.5 and 14.1 ypc each of his prior 4 seasons as a Dolphin.

    BTW...I am not saying Tannehill can't develop to be a decent QB (I would settle for decent at this point). I am pointing out the ELEPHANT on the football field and responding to what seems to be thousands of posters making every excuse there is for a rookie QB that is not playing well. I even read one excuse that said it was Clay's fault that Tannehill missed him by 5 yards when got behind the LB and ran a post b/c he should have run a crossing pattern... Apparently it is okay to criticize Long, Bush, Hartline, Bess, Fasano, OL, etc... but not okay to point out what is obvious to anyone that hasn't fallen head-over-heels in love with Tannehill which is his mistakes and inability to make plays when it counts the most has killed Miami's chances. And "no" he is not the only player, but as QB is starts with him. If the QB doesn't play well, the team doesn't play well.
    What empirical facts you got? Two different teams two different players - all you have is opinion - this isn't comparing first serve in tennis - Jeesh!
    BTW...I am not saying Tannehill can't develop to be a decent QB <-- You are the guy who stands to the side and criticizes until the player turns the corner and then you'll get into the driver's seat on the bus tour - Grow a pair!



    Indy is in the play offs last year had Manning not gone down why do you think they have less weapons than us? Did we get any where near the POs last year?

    Your sample size is way small to making any claims - But good for you for getting the fan base worked up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    Here is the thing, Wayne is going to be a HOF WR, Hartline and Bess are not. Even with similar stats, you can make the argument that Luck is relying on a great WR to help him out while Tannehill's skills are helping Hartline and Bess have career years. I think the similar stats is actually more a compliment to Tannehill then it is to Luck.
    No Wayne is hot garbage!! And Fasano is going to be HOF player!!
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    Adam - I undid my "unthanks" and I do appreciate that you are trying to explain what "facts" are
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    adam is right when in comes to the numbers. but in all honesty, hartline and bess do not compare to wayne and the other colts wrs . be real. teams actually focus on reggie wayne even double him when they can. this year the colts are using wayne in the slot a lot, which is also helping luck out a good deal. wayne is just a wr that can dominate on any given sunday, its no fluke that he's second in receiving, only behind calvin johnson. the colts also have deep threat wr's with avery and ty hilton. they may not be putting up big numbers but the defense still has to respect them. the d just cant sit on all of their routes like the bills were doing to us on thursday. I think we all remember first hand how the colts torched our secondary deep several times with pure speed.
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    Adam has been bash Tannehill since week one of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    Wow, can't believe I actually agree with something Michael Lombardi wrote. I have been very critical of Lombardi and think he has some hidden agendas in his NFL reporting(his son works for the Patriots), but he was spot on with this article. It also comes at a good time when some Dolphins fans are giving Tannehill some damning nicknames like "Hennehill" and starting to look at QB prospects in the upcoming draft. Hopefully this sheds some light for some people on the development of Tannehill.

    He started the season with a bad performance, had some very impressive games after that and now has had a couple of dud games. Just the normal up and downs of being a rookie NFL quarterback. There will always be the rare exception to rookie struggles like Luck(who had some horrific games himself this year) and Dalton.

    The lack of a dominating WR is killing the Dolphins right now, even though Hartline and Bess are having pretty good seasons. Hartline is putting up big yardage numbers, but he is not a type that defenses really have to game plan for or double cover. Some will complain that they shouldn't have traded Marshall because he was that threat, but he didn't want to remain in Miami, had a few off the field issues while here and never would have accepted playing with a rookie quarterback. Luck has a true #1 in Indianapolis, RGIII has some good targets in Washington and even Weeden has some young potential alpha receivers in Cleveland.

    While Tannehill has struggled in past weeks, he is not the big problem with the offense. In fact, get some better talent around him and he can be the solution to the passing woes since Marino retired. We can't forget that he is a ROOKIE quarterback with minimal talent around him. Blame Ireland or whatever for the offensive results, but don't give up on Tannehill. Don't even consider about throwing him in the trash and looking elsewhere, do eveything possible to build better pieces around him. Even a year of expeirence in the NFL and a full offseason will have him better prepared come the 2013 season. Some of the irritating mistakes he is making now will probably be a thing of the past come next season.
    Also luck and dalton have much better receivers, wayne and green to name a few. Great post Nubs...
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    Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins enduring normal growing pains

    Quote Originally Posted by elite14eva View Post
    looking at the rest of the schedule & the way we're playing i honestly don't see us winning another game.
    There will be at least one game where the defense actually catches sure interceptions. We will win that game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANUFan View Post
    Let's play make believe: If the roles and offensive teams were reversed. Does anyone really think Luck would still look as impressive? Luck is talented "No Doubt" But those play makers on offense sure helps a ton.
    What were those playmakers doing for them last year when their record was 2-14?

    You think the quarterback might be the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shouright View Post
    What were those playmakers doing for them last year when their record was 2-14?

    You think the quarterback might be the difference?
    Sucking for Luck....
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