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    Quote Originally Posted by phins_4_ever View Post
    The reason I asked is the WHO made the last comprehensive study in 2000. Your article actually takes these numbers. So it is a 2000 study.
    And the article was from 2010 when this was being used to push ACA because it remains the most the ambitious and comprehensive objective international study of healthcare comparisons between 191 countries to date even if there are disagreements over the subjective parts.

    Not that I wouldn't expect some differences now mostly due to things like bad planning with the doctor's guild big oops on a doctor glut...

    Medical miscalculation creates doctor shortage

    The predictions of a doctor shortage represent an abrupt about-face for the medical profession. For the past quarter-century, the American Medical Association and other industry groups have predicted a glut of doctors and worked to limit the number of new physicians. In 1994, the Journal of the American Medical Association predicted a surplus of 165,000 doctors by 2000.

    "It didn't happen," says Harvard University medical professor David Blumenthal, author of a New England Journal of Medicinearticle on the doctor supply. "Physicians aren't driving taxis. In fact, we're all gainfully employed, earning good incomes, and new physicians are getting two, three or four job offers."
    "Almost everyone agrees we need more physicians," says Carl Getto, chairman of the Council on Graduate Medical Education, a panel Congress created to recommend how many doctors the nation needs. "The debate is over how many."

    Getto's advocacy of more doctors is remarkable because his advisory committee and its predecessor have been instrumental since the 1980s in efforts to restrict the supply of new physicians. In a new study sent to Congress, the council reverses that policy and recommends training 3,000 more doctors a year in U.S. medical schools.

    The marketplace doesn't determine how many doctors the nation has, as it does for engineers, pilots and other professions. The number of doctors is a political decision, heavily influenced by doctors themselves.
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...shortage_x.htm
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    Re: What the World Doesn't Know About Healthcare in America

    I know some small bussiness are going to be effected by this...but how many hours does each employee have to work to get healthcare and employers small or big should wanna give their employees healthcare..its pretty much a need in this world.

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    Re: What the World Doesn't Know About Healthcare in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Eshlemon View Post
    Going by the WHO report which seems to be the gold standard in this argument we are #1 in healthcare services and providers and #15 in results. Purely subjective reasonings of efficency for the rest. USA should have the best resutls if we spend the most and have the best service and providers...or just maybe our population isn't worse than #15 because we do spend the most and have the best services and providers.
    The reason that we don't have the best results is that we don't select patients for treatments based on their probable success. We treat everyone here in the USA. I run a wound care center and we do everything we can to save people's limbs and such and keep trying until there is just nothing left to do. Under a public or single payer system, they would just amputate at about 1/10 the cost but half or more of the legs, feet, fingers, toes, etc. could have been saved. The way I understand it, if you don't have a great chance of success or don't exactly fit the criteria, they won't waste the money treating you in other systems.

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    Re: What the World Doesn't Know About Healthcare in America

    Quote Originally Posted by Tunaphish429 View Post
    I know some small bussiness are going to be effected by this...but how many hours does each employee have to work to get healthcare and employers small or big should wanna give their employees healthcare..its pretty much a need in this world.

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    Employees have to work more than 28 hours per week to be eligible for healthcare. Healthcare is still a benefit and it costs real money and it definitely had an affect on the bottom line. The key is getting the economy buzzing where companies can keep hiring and maintaining full time employees and making a solid profit.

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    Why do companies have to be responsible for health care? I think there is a stigma that every company is like Exxon or wal mart and they make ridiculous profits. Most businesses are small businesses ran by owners who usually don't even get a paycheck (they get a distribution from the business). Now they will be responsible for paying the health insurance for their employees. People ave no idea how much this is going to hurt small business.
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    What the World Doesn't Know About Healthcare in America

    I live in Italy and yes, they have a 2-3 hour break in the middle of the day and shops are closed Sunday and Monday. For the most part the Italians seem like hard workers unless they are employed by the U.S. Government.

    As for health care, there are no major complaints that I have and yes, we do use the local system due to a small clinic on base that is not a 24 service. I was also in Japan which was very reasonable with their prices in social medicine and Okinawans have the longest lifespan in the world. Neither Japan or Italy experience long waits but their facilities are older then what you are probably used to.

    The bad is the taxes they pay to support the healthcare system which is a major issue but there are several smart options that should be considered. I like Canada's approach of using taxes from the sale of liquor and tobacco but I'd go further. Eliminate the IRS and impose a flat tax of 20 % on all products on top of the tobacco and liquor tax. I would also consider taxing the fast food industry and sugared soft drink companies but I'm not sure that is feasible.

    The bottom line is that no system is perfect but what the future holds for health care in America is far short of being satisfactory.
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