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Thread: The Ireland Mythology Index

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    Stephen Ross you can tell is a guy that wants this team to win . . .BADLY. He is the owner, but everything I have seen and heard about him suggests that he is a bigtime fan as well. Sure he chased after Harbaugh, and yea it was inappropriate to do that with a coach already under contract . . . but you know what, the man was doing it as a fan of the team and legitimately thought Harbaugh was a man that could make the team better. He may lose Brownie points around the league but that man has the best interest of the team and the fans on his mind and I respect him.

    The one thing he has done wrong is keep Jeff Ireland. We always talk about coaches needing to get "their players" for their system to work . . . well when you fire a previous administration . . . keeping loose ends, especially the longest string with the GM just gives fans reasons to bash and hate what the new group is doing because the old GM is still pulling the strings. I'm not here to say that Carl Peterson could have been the hire and could be worse than Ireland . . . . but it just isn't a smart way to approach a new change in philosophy and it does the new head coach a dissservice.

    The proof is all there in this wonderful post by Spesh. Surely you can't blame the failures of the Miami Dolphins all on Ireland but to get rid of everybody almost assumes he was void of blame and that just isn't the case. Jeff Ireland has not been good enough, especially at the skill positions and the OLine he has invested heavily in still lacks. I personally don't want a guy who is willing to give Kyle Orton 9 million a year and can't find solid playmakers to save his life managing a 50 million dollar cap and the biggest void at the skill positions possibly in Dolphins history.
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    Enjoyed the part about how wake was acquired during the same offseason pat white, Patrick turner and vontae davis(over Matthews and nicks) were drafted.

    The way some people put it, it sounds like they were acquired by two completely different regimes
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    Can you please do a breakdown of Ireland since Parcells left and we know that he was making final call, not Parcells?
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    Lots of info and in the end, you could just say you want Ireland fired. I think he should have been fired long ago but nothing I type here will make a difference. I just hope that Ross comes to his senses and do what he needs to do. Find a GM that likes playmakers would be a great start.

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    The thing about GMs, is that practically EVERY fanbase thinks their GM sucks... until they win the Superbowl.

    Case Study: Ted Thompson

    Ted Thompson was a reviled figure in Green Bay in the days leading into Favre's retirement, and the circus that ensued. He continued to be reviled, and fans made case after case of his futility, until the Packers squeeked into the Playoffs at 10-6 and rode that to a Superbowl victory.

    Just browse through this petition (that was made before their Superbowl victory) for some true gems from "knowledgeable" fans: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/FIRE-TED-THOMPSON/

    The same can be said of many more GMs throughout the league.

    Jerry Reese (2 time Superbowl winner) - http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011...d-shaun-o-hara
    Mike Tannenbaum - Once toast of the town in NY after back-to-back AFC Championship games, now has attained "Fireland" status from the fanbase: http://turnonthejets.com/2012/11/tan...ets-nfl-tebow/
    Scott Pioli - Remember the GENIUS who put together the Patriots Dynasty? Ya, he is getting run out of KC after a horrendous tenure.

    The fact is, there is SO much that goes into the performance of a GM. A lot of that goes unseen until the perfect storm conspires to bring the team on a run. IMO, a lot is determined on the coaching staff's ability to develop the drafted players, and the QB to elevate the play of all the players on the team and mask the deficiencies. That is why Pioli (and Belichick) looked like genius in NE, but looks like an oaf in KC.

    Is Ireland great? No, but he has shown to be at least middle-of-the-road to adequate, like the vast majority of GMs in the league. That "adequate" talent acquisition could turn into a Superbowl winner if the right circumstances come into a play and you have that one ingredient to make it all work. In most cases, that ingredient is superior QB play.

    If Ireland is run out of town, could we get a GM that brings in better talent than him? Yes, but the odds are that the next GM will perform similarly to Ireland, or possibly even worse.

    I don't know if it is worth risking, and honestly, I don't care at this point. Ireland has had many failures, with some successes. While this far exceeds the handful of GMs that preceded him here in Miami, it obviously hasn't been good enough to return us to the playoffs. That being said, there is a possibility that Tannehill is that missing ingredient who could make all his moves look like magic ala Ted Thompson.
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    Nicely summed up. Nothing damns Ireland quite like unfiltered reality. I love the part where you mention EVERY team wants to build through the draft. Like no ****. It's the core mantra of every team in the league, but people act here like Philbin is starting a revolution and that somehow excuses Ireland from ****ty FA choices. It's also good that you highlight all the talk that surrounded Ireland's preference for McCoy over Philbin. People seem to have conveniently forgotten that according to sources around the league Philbin wasn't Ireland's choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkapePhin View Post
    While I appreciate the effort, your time probably could have been spent more productively on more important matters. There is no new or enlightening info in this post.

    I honestly don't care if Ireland is back or not. I think he has been average, like most GMs.

    This post would have been much more valuable if it juxtaposed this data with the performance of other GMs across the league. As it stands, in a vacuum, this post doesn't accomplish much. Additionally, it fails to take into account matters of talent development. A GM can only acquire talent based on potential. The development of that talent is up to the coaches. If the coaches fail to adequately develop that talent, it is much more difficult to assess the kind of job the GM has done.
    Agreed. I could also take facts to prove that Ireland has been a Top 15 GM in this league. All that's proving is that Ireland has been average and our continued mediocrity (6-10, 7-9, 8-8) helps to prove that. Also, how bad was Sparano and co. in harnessing any talent provided to them. I also could care less about whether Ireland stays or go's, a GM is important but unless you have the other pieces in place, a good GM could end up being worthless.

    In my opinion, our focus as fans should be on evaluation of our rookie coach and QB. These next 6 games are going to be very critical in determining whether or not we are on the right path.
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    BEST post i have EVER read on finheaven .... thanks Spesh !
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    I have to laugh everytime somebody comes up with a post about how Ireland was not in charge when Parcells was here. Ireland IS Parcells. They think the same way. Build up front and from the inside out. Parcells hated playmakers on offence and hated drafting any in the early rounds. Ireland seems to be the same way. Amazing thing is how he keeps on drafting oline with high picks but still can't get the right players to have a top oline. Our oline sucks and other than Long, everyone has been brought in after Parcells was gone.Think about it, how many players are left from when Parcells was here? Most of the players on the team now were brought in by Ireland now and our team sucks. How do you defend that? People act as if they fire Ireland we won't make the playoffs......oh wait, we're not making the playoffs now with Ireland!!

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    I appreciate the time you took to research and post this excellent thread Spesh.

    Ireland has had plenty of time to turn this team around. I am not seeing the changes happen fast enough.

    Too many wasted picks, and of the players that did manage to stay on the team, most of them are nothing special.

    It all starts with the GM. That is why we have not improved.

    Ireland is not terrible, but he is not in the top half of the league as a GM IMHO.

    If you want to build a great franchise, you need the best front office.
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