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Thread: MERGED: Dolphins top of the list in the NFL for teams losing fans

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    Quote Originally Posted by finomenal View Post
    Touché. It is a bad comparison now that I read it over again. I know you're intelligent enough to understand the spirit of the argument though. Any thoughts on that?
    I understand there are certain "problems" that exist in Miami than other cities. I also understand there is a big population of transplants which is why I am no longer surprised when 25-30% of the fans in the stands are rooting for the away team. I am definitely not surprised that they are expecting 20,000 Patriots fans this weekend.

    At the same time, I think there are some who use excuses to try and validate the poor local fan support. The idea that Miami is so full of other things to do but other cities in the USA have nothing besides football is just plain ignorant. They act like people in the North part of the country just live in igloos and are blessed to be able to attend a sporting event, that type of thinking is disrespectful. Where I live, I don't have a beach right down the road, but do people in Miami have ski slopes? How about hiking mountains? I can go to Hershey Park in a acceptable amount of time, or visit the historic Gettysburg. We have clubs and casinos also. You don't need beaches and warm weather to have fun, there are just different ways to have fun in different parts of the country. That is why I ignore that "excuse" in debating this issue with attendance.

    I know Miami has economic problems, well, so does the entire country. People are out of work up here, just like they are down there. I also know that winning will increase attendance, however we all know that doesn't completely solve the issue. The Dolphins/Colts playoff game in 2000 was not a sellout and was blacked out. Even the recent playoff game in 2008 against the Ravens struggled to sell out and that was following an 11-5 AFC East Championship regular season. Winning obviously is not going to completely solve all the problems, because we have seen these problems during winning and playoff seasons.

    The accusation that I "hate" the people of Miami and want the team to move is just a lazy attempt to try and attack me personally. I love the state of Florida, I spend about an accumulation of a month during the year in the state. Not for business, but because I like to be there. I like the city of Miami and its people and can't wait until the next time I am able to get down to the area. I am embarrassed to see the stadium attendance so bad, especially when I see the local Eagles sucking this season with far better attendance. Or seeing the Buffalo Bills with solid attendance for our Thursday game a couple of weeks ago. All I ever want is to see a packed house in Miami and a true home field advantage. Instead the Dolphins are a punch line when it comes to attendance and the "empty orange seats". I want the Dolphins to always remain in Miami with their strong history, but I do fear that if things don't improve with attendance that in a decade from now we could be talking about the NFL team that used to be in Miami. I don't want them to move, I fear that could be on the table in the future.

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    Until the product on the field and economy in general gets better; average fan is going to sit on his couch, drink his cold beer, eat his hot wings, and then watch another game...............

    Watching the game from overpriced nosebleed seats or sitting in AC in front of 60 plasma?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorFlaFin View Post
    Until the product on the field and economy in general gets better; average fan is going to sit on his couch, drink his cold beer, eat his hot wings, and then watch another game...............

    Watching the game from overpriced nosebleed seats or sitting in AC in front of 60 plasma?
    Nosebleed seats any day! But since you are comparing one of the best tvs why not compare it to 50 yard line club seats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    Please don't tell me how I feel. I think a lot of the "excuses" are just that, excuses. I don't hate Miami or the people in it, that is ridiculous to even say. I wouldn't be a fan of the Dolphins if I didn't like the state of Florida or the city of Miami. I want to see the team I love supported by the city they reside in. When I see the stadium empty on game day I am disappointed and embarrassed as a Dolphins fan. I just wish the locals loved the team as much as I do, but sadly they do not.

    Also, not once did I ever say I would be happy to see the team move. Yet another attempt to put words in my mouth and spread lies. I have said I think it is a legitimate fear if the bad attendance continues over the course of a lengthy time.
    If you want butts in the seats and really just want to support the team put your money where your mouth is, offer to pay a locals expenses to go to a game. If nobody takes you up on the offer then feel free to bad mouth the locals as bad fans all you want.

    I'll even chip in if you want to start a fund.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    I understand there are certain "problems" that exist in Miami than other cities. I also understand there is a big population of transplants which is why I am no longer surprised when 25-30% of the fans in the stands are rooting for the away team. I am definitely not surprised that they are expecting 20,000 Patriots fans this weekend.

    At the same time, I think there are some who use excuses to try and validate the poor local fan support. The idea that Miami is so full of other things to do but other cities in the USA have nothing besides football is just plain ignorant. They act like people in the North part of the country just live in igloos and are blessed to be able to attend a sporting event, that type of thinking is disrespectful. Where I live, I don't have a beach right down the road, but do people in Miami have ski slopes? How about hiking mountains? I can go to Hershey Park in a acceptable amount of time, or visit the historic Gettysburg. We have clubs and casinos also. You don't need beaches and warm weather to have fun, there are just different ways to have fun in different parts of the country. That is why I ignore that "excuse" in debating this issue with attendance.

    I know Miami has economic problems, well, so does the entire country. People are out of work up here, just like they are down there. I also know that winning will increase attendance, however we all know that doesn't completely solve the issue. The Dolphins/Colts playoff game in 2000 was not a sellout and was blacked out. Even the recent playoff game in 2008 against the Ravens struggled to sell out and that was following an 11-5 AFC East Championship regular season. Winning obviously is not going to completely solve all the problems, because we have seen these problems during winning and playoff seasons.

    The accusation that I "hate" the people of Miami and want the team to move is just a lazy attempt to try and attack me personally. I love the state of Florida, I spend about an accumulation of a month during the year in the state. Not for business, but because I like to be there. I like the city of Miami and its people and can't wait until the next time I am able to get down to the area. I am embarrassed to see the stadium attendance so bad, especially when I see the local Eagles sucking this season with far better attendance. Or seeing the Buffalo Bills with solid attendance for our Thursday game a couple of weeks ago. All I ever want is to see a packed house in Miami and a true home field advantage. Instead the Dolphins are a punch line when it comes to attendance and the "empty orange seats". I want the Dolphins to always remain in Miami with their strong history, but I do fear that if things don't improve with attendance that in a decade from now we could be talking about the NFL team that used to be in Miami. I don't want them to move, I fear that could be on the table in the future.
    Some of those things are factors, but I never mention them because it doesn't matter for the most part. NBA tickets are more expensive, yet the Heat sell out consistently. The bad economy excuses are BS. We want to see a winning team and a regime who gives us confidence that they're good at their job consistently. The fan base down here has become more and more apathetic with each passing, pathetic season. I remember a time when I used to be mad for days after losses. That slowly snowballed into not caring, laughing and shaking my head at a loss.

    The big problem is not only have they been bad to mediocre for far too long, but they've been BORING while doing it until this year. This isn't only my opinion. If you've tuned into Miami sports talk radio over the last decade or talked to any random Dolfan down here, you'd realize that they echo the same sentiment.

    Fans still aren't filling up the stadium because we're in wait and see mode. They have to prove to us that they're worthy of our financial commitment. The Dolphins are the hot girlfriend that broke our hearts too many times. We're not going to just jump back into it after a couple good dates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roy_miami View Post
    If you want butts in the seats and really just want to support the team put your money where your mouth is, offer to pay a locals expenses to go to a game. If nobody takes you up on the offer then feel free to bad mouth the locals as bad fans all you want.

    I'll even chip in if you want to start a fund.
    You want me to pay for others to go to the game? lol. That is your solution?


    Hey guys, local attendance is poor so instead of paying and going to the game ourselves, lets look for handouts from out of state fans. Thanks for the laugh, I will pay for myself and my family to go to the games, if the locals want to go to the game they can pay for it themselves. I want local support, but I am definitely not in favor of giving free tickets to a bandwagon fan. Looking for handouts and for others to pay for things for you is why this country is in the poor shape it is. If you have support for the team and want to be there, you will buy tickets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nublar7 View Post
    You want me to pay for others to go to the game? lol. That is your solution?


    Hey guys, local attendance is poor so instead of paying and going to the game ourselves, lets look for handouts from out of state fans. Thanks for the laugh, I will pay for myself and my family to go to the games, if the locals want to go to the game they can pay for it themselves. I want local support, but I am definitely not in favor of giving free tickets to a bandwagon fan.
    C'mon Nubs you're not being a team player. Ross is doing his part preventing blackouts. Do your part and help fill that stadium up. ....just kidding of course.

    Yeah that's a pretty ridiculous idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finomenal View Post
    Fans still aren't filling up the stadium because we're in wait and see mode. They have to prove to us that they're worthy of our financial commitment. The Dolphins are the hot girlfriend that broke our hearts too many times. We're not going to just jump back into it after a couple good dates.
    I was at Tannehill and Philbin's first home game which just so happen to be their first win together and it was worth every penny.
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    Whether its your ass in the seat or somebody elses they are still supporting the team, thats what you're all about right, supporting the team? Your money would be directly helping to support the team. I'm willing to do it, I guess by your own logic that makes me a better fan than you, yeah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by finomenal View Post
    C'mon Nubs you're not being a team player. Ross is doing his part preventing blackouts. Do your part and help fill that stadium up. ....just kidding of course.

    Yeah that's a pretty ridiculous idea.
    All I want to see is a full stadium and a true home field advantage, not sure why some are considering me the bad guy. In the end a home field advantage (aka the 12th man) can help influence the final outcome of games and put a fear into opposing teams. Hope this doesn't come as a shock to some of you, but a 12th man can help lead to the winning we all want to see.

    Who here actually likes seeing the stadium empty on game days? Come on, speak up and let it be known if you are happy and smile with the current attendance problem? If you didn't put your hand up, how can you look at me in a negative light? I want a winning team, a full stadium, a true home field advantage and the team to always reman in Mami. If you have a problem with my view on this topic, which one of those four things don't you want?
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